Coronavirus outbreak

[I like Skol]

Of course, you could be wrong.....

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Please pass on to those you know.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Supermarkets still have shortages of flour, rice, pasta, eggs, tinned goods, tissues and random other items. Toilet rolls were missing for weeks. They don't seem to be responding quickly enough.

Then on the organisational side, there are almost no delivery slots unless registered vulnerable, few collection slots, long queues to get in, long queues surrounded by clothes to get out. I don't think the supermarkets have shown themselves to be the best option but annoyingly they are now the only open shop selling certain essential items, forcing even more people to risk infection in their queues.

I would not wish UK supermarket management on NHS logistics.

Just one of the big four supermarkets is shifting over 60 million cases of stock a day, every day. From supplier into their supermarkets. Just what kind of additional logistical management would you like? How much faster would you like the chickens to lay eggs, or the wheat to grow and be harvested?

 

[carlosfandangus]

Tesco released figures the other day, apparently 30% of stock was bought by 10% of their customers before lockdown..I guess that means 10% of their customers are TW@TS

 

[kingrollo]

When and how to lift the lockdown will be a nuanced political decision

There will be the input from the health professionals about controlling the pandemic.

But as @marinyork says, there are major health issues created by extending lockdowns

Finally, every day of lockdown is another huge amount of debt that we, the public, will have to pay back over the coming years

The fallout on national finances isn't even being discussed here. This is the elephant in the room. We will increase NHS funding (political suicide to do otherwise) and we will have to manage a much higher debt burden. The only way to do this is to tax us more or reduce other public services or both. Government will have to do this because whilst interest rates are at historic lows, if they start to move up over next few years you and I will be repaying this additional debt for ever

It's only in recent years we cleared the debt from WW2
If they stick 2-3 % on the basic rate of tax to pay for it -and fund the NHS that's fine by me.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Tesco released figures the other day, apparently 30% of stock was bought by 10% of their customers before lockdown..I guess that means 10% of their customers are TW@TS

Wouldn’t it be great if they restricted those same “customer” twats to limited shopping for the next six months. Sorry you can’t buy bog roll or hand sanitiser or eggs our records indicate you already have 18 months supply.

 

[vickster]

It's only in recent years we cleared the debt from WW2
If they stick 2-3 % on the basic rate of tax to pay for it -and fund the NHS that's fine by me.

2-3p would be rather better than 2-3% on 20p
Stick it on the higher rates too

 

[tom73]

Just one of the big four supermarkets is shifting over 60 million cases of stock a day, every day. From supplier into their supermarkets. Just what kind of additional logistical management would you like? How much faster would you like the chickens to lay eggs, or the wheat to grow and be harvested?

Flour shortage is mostly down to the way the market works. The about of flour that mostly ends up in the domestic market is tiny.
Most is bulk for professional market in normal times it works just fine. The volume now needed for the domestic market is way more than current supply can make. One way which is being looked at is selling in bulk. As the larger bags they can turn round quickly.

The real problem is the people who went into panic mode and stock piled the 1 Billion pound of extra food.
That more than likely ended up in bin.

 

[BoldonLad]

Unbelievable just heard old Matt publicly accuse some healthcare staff of misusing PPE and maybe using more than they need.
Well that's simple Minister suspend all local protocols covering PPE , ask no better still mandate all trusts , providers ect to both provide the correct PPE guidelines as pre PHE. To all staff in all areas of care both direct and indirect for that information to be clearly displayed in all clinical and none clinical areas. To train all staff in the correct use of PPE to a nationally arranged standard by staff who are correctly trained and experienced in all levels of it's use.

Don't leave it up to employers to just do it as many just don't as good training costs money. Or as is happening they completely mess it up.
Don't expect Staff to have to go looking for the correct advice either which is what many have had to do.
Or expect Staff to tell other staff they are doing it wrong as they have been trained and the other staff member has not.

Above all Minister sort out the supply issues if you don't know how to fix it then ok.
It's not a weakness to ask for help from ones who can it's called leadership.

Yes, I don’t usually watch updates, but, saw that one. In my experience (and that of wife and daughter, both nurses), the NHS is incredibly wasteful, so, seemed reasonable request to me.

 

[kingrollo]

2-3p would be rather better than 2-3% on 20p
Stick it on the higher rates too

Well yes - I might a minority on this but I don't think we pay enough tax in this country.

Qué someone posting on things saying we are tax morning to night....

But in the tax league tables I think UK is pretty well down the tax burden on the average earner - from memory I think Germany was top..

 

[vickster]

Well yes - I might a minority on this but I don't think we pay enough tax in this country.

Qué someone posting on things saying we are tax morning to night....

But in the tax league tables I think UK is pretty well down the tax burden on the average earner - from memory I think Germany was top..

Indeed, but you said 2-3% which is diddly squat on 20p, 40p or 50p

 

[Unkraut]

On the subject of mental health - I can't think of anything worse for MH than the touted tracking app - which alerts you if you have been in proximity of someone who subsequently tests positive for covid 19...

As an anxiety sufferer heaven knows what that would do to me !

On the other hand though no news is good news. You would know you have not in all likelihood been near someone long enough to have been infected.

Voluntary use of a tracking app might have to be the compromise between a longer lockdown and restrictions being gradually lifted whilst avoiding the danger of a new wave of infections.

 

[BoldonLad]

Was reading last night that the lockdown and possible extension of the lockdown has big support amongst the general public.

In my opinion it would be polictal suicide the lift the lockdown whilst we are reporting around 1000 deaths per day.

Source? No one has asked me, and, I am, as far as I know, a member of the public?

 

[kingrollo]

Indeed, but you said 2-3% which is diddly squat on 20p, 40p or 50p

Ok - whatever it takes - put it on the basic rate of income tax - I would have thought 3% on the basic rate would raise a good whack.
My general point - I don't mind paying and I am not a big earner.
IMO we need to move away from the idea that paying tax is a bad thing. IMO it isn't.

 

[kingrollo]

Source? No one has asked me, and, I am, as far as I know, a member of the public?

NewsNow opinion poll section. - can't easily link on phone sorry.