Coronavirus outbreak

[tom73]

My eldest has been working the odd shift in a residential care home since he graduated 18 months ago. It is a good supplement to his income as a musician. He obviously has no professional income at the moment so decided to apply for care work round here and come and live at home for a bit. I am appalled that the care organisation he is starting work for made him pay £60 out of his own pocket for his DBS check given the pittance he is being paid. Apparently this is standard in the industry whilst the owners of these large care home chains are raking it in.

sadly yes
So much of social care need's a total rethink but that a topic all of it's own.

 

[tom73]

The nurse certainly felt he accused them but he did try and explain that as long as everyone used the right ppe and the correct amount, there wouldn't be any further shortages now they are on top of the supply chain.

But that's the problem many are not being told or are being given the wrong advice. Only yesterday the RVI in Newcastle sent out an email to all staff about level of PPE to use. Only 2 hours later to issue another one saying they got it wrong. Blaming PHE as the information had changed so many times. Not in 2 hours it did not or even the last 24 hours. They should know but they clearly do not and they wont be the only ones either.

 

[marinyork]

My eldest has been working the odd shift in a residential care home since he graduated 18 months ago. It is a good supplement to his income as a musician. He obviously has no professional income at the moment so decided to apply for care work round here and come and live at home for a bit. I am appalled that the care organisation he is starting work for made him pay £60 out of his own pocket for his DBS check given the pittance he is being paid. Apparently this is standard in the industry whilst the owners of these large care home chains are raking it in.

Moral hazard.

Standard. Asking for payment on training. No pay for travel time. Unpaid overtime on a grand scale. Inadequate training. Large turnover of staff.

Wild west.

It is something I believe is going on a lot as I have written two references for people to do care and support work the last couple of weeks and listened in on things trying to stop services collapsing.

I think it's great your son is doing that.

 

[tom73]

Moral hazard.

Standard. Asking for payment on training. No pay for travel time. Unpaid overtime on a grand scale. Inadequate training. Large turnover of staff.

Wild west.

It is something I believe is going on a lot as I have written two references for people to do care and support work the last couple of weeks and listened in on things trying to stop services collapsing.

I think it's great your son is doing that.

Total wild west it's a right mess with standards and training long gone out the window.

 

[tom73]

So much of the basic problems of social care. Could have been massively fixed if for the last 20+ years the role of health visitors had not been hollowed out.

 

[Rocky]

Unbelievable just heard old Matt publicly accuse some healthcare staff of misusing PPE and maybe using more than they need.
Well that's simple Minister suspend all local protocols covering PPE , ask no better still mandate all trusts , providers ect to both provide the correct PPE guidelines as pre PHE. To all staff in all areas of care both direct and indirect for that information to be clearly displayed in all clinical and none clinical areas. To train all staff in the correct use of PPE to a nationally arranged standard by staff who are correctly trained and experienced in all levels of it's use.

Don't leave it up to employers to just do it as many just don't as good training costs money. Or as is happening they completely mess it up.
Don't expect Staff to have to go looking for the correct advice either which is what many have had to do.
Or expect Staff to tell other staff they are doing it wrong as they have been trained and the other staff member has not.

Above all Minister sort out the supply issues if you don't know how to fix it then ok.
It's not a weakness to ask for help from ones who can it's called leadership.

My son has just tested positive for Covid19 and is self-isolating.....he tells a very interesting story about his first day at a new hospital last week and the induction for PPE. He was 'shown how to fit a FP3 mask properly'. This was done by putting on a sealed plastic diving-bell type helmet and an odour was pumped which they had to taste and smell. He then had to fit a mask and go through the same procedure - if he couldn't taste the gas or smell it, he had fitted the mask correctly.

Now here is the stupidity - there were ten other doctors on this induction, each one had to wear the diving-bell helmet with no PPE and there was no attempt to clean it before the next person wore it. Perhaps Matt H could explain why NHSE is using this approach to induction?

FWIW, after most of the doctors complained, this process has been stopped.

 

[tom73]

@Brompton Bruce

 

[marinyork]

Sounds like something out of the 1950s.

 

[Julia9054]

I think it's great your son is doing that.

He is lucky that he has experience in an area currently desperate for staff. Most of his freelance musician friends are in a much worse situation income wise.

 

[tom73]

@Brompton Bruce
Just had this from Mrs 73

View: https://www.facebook.com/580135647/posts/10163114807080648?sfns=mo

 

[Buck]

They are being reintroduced in September 2020. Up to £5000 per annum. In some instances an additional £3000 is available.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/nursing-students-to-receive-5-000-payment-a-year

that‘s good news. I’d missed that so thanks for sharing.

 

[Buck]

My son has just tested positive for Covid19 and is self-isolating.....he tells a very interesting story about his first day at a new hospital last week and the induction for PPE. He was 'shown how to fit a FP3 mask properly'. This was done by putting on a sealed plastic diving-bell type helmet and an odour was pumped which they had to taste and smell. He then had to fit a mask and go through the same procedure - if he couldn't taste the gas or smell it, he had fitted the mask correctly.

Now here is the stupidity - there were ten other doctors on this induction, each one had to wear the diving-bell helmet with no PPE and there was no attempt to clean it before the next person wore it. Perhaps Matt H could explain why NHSE is using this approach to induction?

FWIW, after most of the doctors complained, this process has been stopped.

That read well until your second paragraph - I hope your son is ok and recovers well. I’m off at the minute with suspected covid19. No test here but self isolating at home away from the family.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

I discovered 2 days ago that my mother, 80s and frail, had been socialising with someone I thought was a friend of the family. It took me a whole day to calm myself down. I think I've put an end to that...for now.

For goodness' sake, the sooner people get to do this properly, the sooner I can see my grandkids!

 

[Johnno260]

My son has just tested positive for Covid19 and is self-isolating.....he tells a very interesting story about his first day at a new hospital last week and the induction for PPE. He was 'shown how to fit a FP3 mask properly'. This was done by putting on a sealed plastic diving-bell type helmet and an odour was pumped which they had to taste and smell. He then had to fit a mask and go through the same procedure - if he couldn't taste the gas or smell it, he had fitted the mask correctly.

Now here is the stupidity - there were ten other doctors on this induction, each one had to wear the diving-bell helmet with no PPE and there was no attempt to clean it before the next person wore it. Perhaps Matt H could explain why NHSE is using this approach to induction?

FWIW, after most of the doctors complained, this process has been stopped.

my wife had to do that and questioned the logic behind the goldfish bowl.

it seemed utterly nuts to me.

 

[tom73]

https://fullermaps.com/artworks/quarantine-maps
Free download pen and ink art work the detail is something else.