Coronavirus outbreak

[mjr]

Clearly you need every thing in black and white and unless it is you can't see past it. Morally I don't need the law to tell me what's right and I think over the 4000 plus and counting recent bereaved families don't need it spelling out to them either.

Could you explain how you believe it's moral to try to trick vulnerable people to live behind shoot-covered windows by misrepresenting the rules? Maybe you follow Nietzschean morality (if they are too weak to clean windows then they do not deserve them?) but I do not.

 

[RecordAceFromNew]

Don't know if anybody has mentioned already, the millions of "game changer" antibody tests Boris said he ordered and are to be rolled out via Amazon/Boots in April are nothing of the sort. Who would have thunk it?

According to Oxford, it is at least a month away because nothing they have tested passed muster, and the German think it will be 3 months away.

Don't think any of us will be tested, found immune, and get back to our daily business as if nothing has happened any time soon.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Don't know if anybody has mentioned already, the millions of "game changer" antibody tests Boris said he ordered and are to be rolled out via Amazon/Boots in April are nothing of the sort. Who would have thunk it?

According to Oxford, it is at least a month away because nothing they have tested passed muster, and the German think it will be 3 months away.

Don't think any of us will be tested, found immune, and get back to our daily business as if nothing has happened any time soon.

From the same article it appears that there are other countries that are having problems sourcing kits that meet the required standard or are several months away from developing one. Not just the UK suffering. Sounds like the issue is developing something that works reliably in the home environment if I am reading the article correctly.

'Interestingly we are not the only ones who having difficulty identifying commercial tests that work in a home test kit format. The Spanish apparently returned test kits that were not working, and the Germans who are developing their own sensitive kits believe they are three months away from getting these available and validated. Not test has been acclaimed by health authorities as having the necessary characteristics for screening people accurately for protective immunity.'

 

[marinyork]

Don't know if anybody has mentioned already, the millions of "game changer" antibody tests Boris said he ordered and are to be rolled out via Amazon/Boots in April are nothing of the sort. Who would have thunk it?

According to Oxford, it is at least a month away because nothing they have tested passed muster, and the German think it will be 3 months away.

Don't think any of us will be tested, found immune, and get back to our daily business as if nothing has happened any time soon.

It's a very disappointing article from a leading person who has knowledge and doesn't want to share it.

It's been alleged the bad batches in Spain were only 30% accurate - although curiously enough very little comment has been made about the non-dodgy ones. I think this was said as much as a week ago.

It's been alleged the kits UK have played around with are 50% accurate. It isn't specified what 50% means and whether it actually performs satisfactorily in some subgroups.

 

[Johnno260]

The issue with the stay at home instructions is it relies on common sense, and for people to not be selfish.Both of which are issues these days.

Sunbathing in a park even while maintaining social distancing isn’t a reason to do it.

Window cleaners and gardeners are in my opinion not essential but convenience, if it’s cash in hand work then that has issues considering the virus can be long lived on some surfaces.

I had to go into town as the bulbs had blown on my wife’s car, and the 13-15 group of teenagers roaming around causing issues is also a risk, I know of some of this group as they’re always in trouble for shoplifting, the parents are at fault for allowing them to roam the streets in a pack, and the teens are idiots for probably thinking they’re young and immune.

Toms reaction is justified his wife has to care for clowns like these, same as mine, and it’s the main reason if we’re locked down harder it’s justified thanks to morons.

What we can learn from this in any future issues is treat the public as you would a child as many have less mental capacity than a small child, some won’t act sensible, morally etc

 

[Racing roadkill]

Again, apologies for the wail link, but

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8191837/England-announces-403-coronavirus-deaths.html
Things might well be looking up, the increasing natural U.V. levels are probably starting to help.

 

[Rocky]

Again, apologies for the wail link, but

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8191837/England-announces-403-coronavirus-deaths.html
Things might well be looking up, the increasing natural U.V. levels are probably starting to help.

If that's the case and UV stops the spread of the virus, why is it spreading in Africa, Iran, Florida, Australia? I'm afraid it is fake news and there is no evidence for your assertions (I'm not even going to click on the Daily Mail link).

 

[mjr]

I had to go into town as the bulbs had blown on my wife’s car,

Personally, I think that's not an essential journey because motorists should have spare bulbs in the boot toolkit and you can buy replacements with the weekly food shop or the next time you refuel, but the law arguably says it is, so I just have to accept it.

Toms reaction is justified his wife has to care for clowns like these, same as mine, and it’s the main reason if we’re locked down harder it’s justified thanks to morons.

Have I understood correctly that the above says a carer wife justifies someone angrily spreading disinformation?

What we can learn from this in any future issues is treat the public as you would a child as many have less mental capacity than a small child, some won’t act sensible, morally etc

And some will describe anyone choosing a journey or task that you wouldn't as "essential" are "morons" and anyone making the same debatable decisions as them is justified. It's disappointingly tribal. Thank heavens most of the people out around my village are not snarling at each other like some on here - instead, they're smiling and waving at each other as they enjoy their homes, fetch food and supplies, take their daily, or go to and from work or medical sites.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

As a slight aside - I don't think the lockdown has hit the death totals yet.
If you say it's 5 days from infection s to symptoms - around 7 days after symptoms you either get well or develop breathing problems - so say 10 days after symptoms you enter the hospital network - and sadly for some 14 days in hospital - you don't make it.

So IMO the effects of the lockdown are yet to relate to deaths - which might be good news (fingers crossed)

But something else has caused the death numbers to fall - maybe they haven't - maybe admin will catch up Tues and weds - or hopefully only the weaker strains are being transmitted...

Yes, there has already been an apparent drop in figures on Sundays and Mondays. Unless people are naturally resistant to dying on a weekend, a reporting lag seems likely. It's not a good day for judging trends. Wednesday would probably be better for that.

 

[vickster]

If that's the case and UV stops the spread of the virus, why is it spreading in Africa, Iran, Florida, Australia? I'm afraid it is fake news and there is no evidence for your assertions (I'm not even going to click on the Daily Mail link).

Didn’t the dep CMO mention UV light and heat in one of the previous briefings? Maybe week before last?

 

[Rocky]

Didn’t the dep CMO mention UV light and heat in one of the previous briefings?

But that isn't the reason why the numbers of deaths are dropping..........people aren't spending enough time outside. I think that it's probably a statistical blip. It's going to take at least another week until the impact of the lockdown shows an effect.

I don't know if the deputy CMO mentioned it, but I'm asking myself if UV light has an impact, why are hot sunny countries experiencing a spread of the virus?

 

[MrGrumpy]

There was decrease last weekend as well , let’s see what the stats are come Friday!

 

[marinyork]

From the same article it appears that there are other countries that are having problems sourcing kits that meet the required standard or are several months away from developing one. Not just the UK suffering. Sounds like the issue is developing something that works reliably in the home environment if I am reading the article correctly.

Update from Chris Witty tonight. He has 'confidence' in the tests being developed, but they aren't quite there yet.

Although a month plus is a long way away, it's still going to have a very substantial impact on dealing with the virus.

 

[vickster]

But that isn't the reason why the numbers of deaths are dropping..........people aren't spending enough time outside. I think that it's probably a statistical blip. It's going to take at least another week until the impact of the lockdown shows an effect.

I don't know if the CMO mentioned it, but I'm asking myself if UV light has an impact, why are hot sunny countries experiencing a spread of the virus?

They’re not that hot and sunny at the moment? People are catching it indoors not outside?

I didn’t see the post you referred to, just yours (due to long standing use of a certain forum function )

 

[Rocky]

There was decrease last weekend as well , let’s see what the stats are come Friday!

Don't forget these deaths are from people who were infected probably three weeks ago. It is far too soon to see the recent good weather impacting on transmission.