Coronavirus outbreak

[roubaixtuesday]

Sorry, I'm a bit confused. You said this:

'Office based employees are still allowed to work from the office, again forbidden in the uk.'

Am I missing something?

I'm good at confusion! What I meant was:

Office workers being in the office is forbidden by our company in uk - you *must* work from home.

It is allowed in Sweden by our company.

As per your link, office workers in the UK can be allowed in the office by law, though strongly discouraged. As I understand it anyway.

Does that clarify? Or have I made it worse still??

 

[SpokeyDokey]

I'm good at confusion! What I meant was:

Office workers being in the office is forbidden by our company in uk - you *must* work from home.

It is allowed in Sweden by our company.

As per your link, office workers in the UK can be allowed in the office by law, though strongly discouraged. As I understand it anyway.

Does that clarify? Or have I made it worse still??

That tidies things up - thanks.

Interestingly the advice from Gov.UK re workers carrying on working who cannot work from home is not as strong as that reported in the press ie they are not saying stay away as strongly.

From the Doc' mentioned earlier and other Doc's I've looked at from Gov.UK:

Keeping your business open

With the exception of some non-essential shops and public venues, we are not asking any other businesses to close – indeed it is important for business to carry on. (My bolding.)

However, you should encourage your employees to work from home unless it is impossible for them to do so.

 

[mjr]

Good move: Gov' sponsored flights to get our nationals home on charter flights where there is no commercial option.

Is it cynical to point out the recent mass grounding of Easyjet both increased the number of places without commercial options and increased the number of planes they can hire out?

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Is it cynical to point out the recent mass grounding of Easyjet both increased the number of places without commercial options and increased the number of planes they can hire out?

No idea here - I'm not aware of the exact circumstances re Easyjet.

At the moment, the main priority is to get people home - we can worry about any dodgy practices later on when the dust settles.

 

[mjr]

No idea here - I'm not aware of the exact circumstances re Easyjet.

6 days ago, Easyjet paid its owners over £170m divi.

10 hours ago, they grounded the whole fleet and announced they'd be using the furlough fund: handout 1.

Just now, they were announced as one of the FO's preferred airlines: handout 2.

It reeks.

At the moment, the main priority is to get people home - we can worry about any dodgy practices later on when the dust settles.

I'll be amazed if anything is ever done. More bad news buried under the virus.

 

[numbnuts]

Oh dear, my nephew's wife who is a nurse at Basingstoke hospital has got the virus so the whole family are now in quarantine

 

[kingrollo]

Even though I've been guilty of poring over and speculating about the numbers on this very thread, it's reached the point where I need to ask, can we refrain from posting the numbers of fatalities and new cases?

Unless new information comes to light or there's a change in the gradients on the logarithmic scale, the numbers are not helpful since every day will bring new records, and confronting the reality that every single one of these rapidly growing numbers represents a person with all that entails, whilst simultaneously being completely unable to do anything about it is absolutely ruinous to mental health.

Thanks.

If its doing that to you - I would stay off the thread and maybe even the internet. Put something funny on the TV take a break. I got terribly wound up about it a week or so ago - just limited myself to once daily news for a few days.

 

[winjim]

No idea here - I'm not aware of the exact circumstances re Easyjet.

At the moment, the main priority is to get people home - we can worry about any dodgy practices later on when the dust settles.

Like the Russia report.

 

[MarkF]

Oh dear, my nephew's wife who is a nurse at Basingstoke hospital has got the virus so the whole family are now in quarantine

All this talk of PPE ignores the fact that patients are developing virus symptoms in hospital having been admitted for something unrelated. So a patient on a ward, maybe a transient one, where PPE is not deemed necessary, might well be on virus ward later that same day.

 

[Rocky]

All this talk of PPE ignores the fact that patients are developing the virus in hospital. So a patient on a ward, maybe a transient one, where PPE is not deemed necessary, might well be on virus ward later that same day.

I'm sorry but this isn't quite true. Patients don't develop a virus. They get infected. They get infected by family, other patients and staff. Why do staff infect patients? It's because they haven't the PPE they need.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Even though I've been guilty of poring over and speculating about the numbers on this very thread, it's reached the point where I need to ask, can we refrain from posting the numbers of fatalities and new cases?

Unless new information comes to light or there's a change in the gradients on the logarithmic scale, the numbers are not helpful since every day will bring new records, and confronting the reality that every single one of these rapidly growing numbers represents a person with all that entails, whilst simultaneously being completely unable to do anything about it is absolutely ruinous to mental health.

Thanks.

I suggest you put this thread and any others that are troubling you on ignore.

 

[PK99]

I suggest you put this thread and any others that are troubling you on ignore.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Is it cynical to point out the recent mass grounding of Easyjet both increased the number of places without commercial options and increased the number of planes they can hire out?

Yes because the people being rescued are long haul, well out of range of the Easyjet fleet. Which EasyJet routes would you suggest keeping open?

 

[MarkF]

I'm sorry but this isn't quite true. Patients don't develop a virus. They get infected. They get infected by family, other patients and staff. Why do staff infect patients? It's because they haven't the PPE they need.

You are right & l should have said developing symptoms.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

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I've asked the other Mods if we can discuss the reporting of data and its impact on some members - so we'll see what the outcome is.

My own opinion is that one of the advantages of living in the UK is its Free Press and that data on CV's progress and our progress in the fight against it should be freely shared.

The data cannot be ignored, it is part and parcel of virtually every CV report/article whether from the Fourth Estate or Social Media. To stop exposure to this someone would have to invoke pretty much a total media blackout for themselves.

If a particular thread bothers someone then the ignore function is very easy to put in place.