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May be old news but had a mail from essex county council saying that these country parks are closed.
  • Belhus Woods Country Park
  • Cressing Temple Barns
  • Cudmore Grove Country Park
  • Danbury Country Park
  • Great Notley Country Park
  • Hadleigh Country Park
  • Marsh Farm Country Park
  • Sky Ropes at Great Notley
  • Thorndon North Country Park
  • Thorndon South County Park
  • Weald Country Park
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
It is not the testing that is keeping the outbreak contained is the the use of centralised state resources to track and trace the movements of all testing positive and all their contacts via Mobile phone tracking linked to state ID cards.
That may be but it's not at all how it was reported. The emphasis was very much on the scale of testing - probably because Belgium is in a similar position to the UK, just about starting to test medics and all hospitalised suspected cases, with no capacity for large-scale diagnostic testing any time soon.

Browsing further, it looked like "trace the movements of ... all their contacts" does not mean the contacts book on their phones, but any other smartphones connected to the same cell mast combinations as the person testing positive, with the South Korean government being criticised for sending mobile network alerts to loads of phones and sometimes leaking personal data of the victims; and I didn't find that mobile phones were linked to ID cards (unlike Taiwan) but maybe I looked in the wrong places.

Another country mentioned as doing lots more testing that Belgium was Germany, which has registered only 560 deaths from 83½m people so far, compared to Belgium's 513 deaths from 11½m (or the UK's 1228 from 68m). This may explain the numbers of cases: Germany 64'000, Belgium about 12'000 (UK 19'500).
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
May be old news but had a mail from essex county council saying that these country parks are closed.
Does the mail give any reason why they feel that kettling their residents into even fewer open spaces during the spread of a proximity-correlated pandemic is a good idea?

I'll add "Essex County Council" to the list of governments keen to kill its voters, alongside "France" and "Ireland".
 

BoldonLad

Not part of the Elite
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South Tyneside
My Mrs was due to fly to England on Wednesday, flight cancelled so she changed the booking to next Sunday, all good. I mainly avoided the news yesterday so missed an important announcement until this morning. I need to print off a form and tick the box for my reason for being "at large" and I need to date it so one form a trip. Ferrying my Mrs to Limoges so that she can get some business done in the UK is not listed, its life and death stuff only.
https://www.gouvernement.fr/sites/d...03/attestation_de_deplacement_derogatoire.pdf

We recently (Thursday 19th March - Saturday, 22nd March) travelled through France, by road, Spanish Border to Calais. We had the Attestation document (one each, and one for each day). We had to hand write them, because we had no printer. We added a paragraph, in French, which we got from British Embassy, basically saying we were returning to UK, to our permanent address, and travelling in Motorhome. We were stopped at Police Check Points (twice), in one instance, after initially signalling us to stop, they them waved us on, without actually inspecting documents, in the other instance, Gendarme examined our attestation documents, and, very politely told us to get on our way. Good luck!
 
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May be old news but had a mail from essex county council saying that these country parks are closed.

Does the mail give any reason why they feel that kettling their residents into even fewer open spaces during the spread of a proximity-correlated
pandemic is a good idea?

I'll add "Essex County Council" to the list of governments keen to kill its voters, alongside "France" and "Ireland".
Crazy isn't it?? Meanwhile, Calgary have shut loads of main roads to cars, so that peds/cyclists can exercise!

And Berlin have widened their cycle-lanes.
 
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Wobblers

Euthermic
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Minkowski Space

There are some major errors in that article. Take one statement: "But if we tracked flu or other seasonal viruses in the same way, we would also see an exponential increase". That, while not untrue, is missing one crucial point: these other viruses are considerably less transmittable than CV-19. The number of cases of flu typically take weeks to double. With CV-19, it's 3 days. That can - and is, in Italy - overwhelm the medical facilities in short order, increasing mortality for both CV-19 patients and other patients who also need ICU places.

He looks at the data from Iceland - and calculates a mortality rate from it. Yet there is insufficient data from Iceland to make any meaningful conclusions. The numbers are far too small to be able to come up with reliable numbers. That's an appalling bit of science. Any scientific paper going of publication would be rejected with assumptions like that one. Worse than that, the illness has not reached an outcome in most infected Icelanders. The outbreak is still in its early stages: his "0.3% mortality" will go up.

Also, he compares the excess mortality used by the CDC to estimate the effect of flu with the direct deaths caused by CV-19. These aren't the same thing. In all probability, the excess mortality due to CV-19 will also be higher than the deaths noted in the ICU wards. It'll take time for that to make itself obvious. He seems to be suggesting that we sit back until that signal becomes all too obvious. At that point, it'll be too late to do anything about it.
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
Sorry if already posted - trying to read every post in this fast moving thread is tricky!

Sweden taking a very different approach by all accounts:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52076293

I've had a video conference with Swedish colleagues in the last week where three of them were in the same room - this is absolutely forbidden in the UK by our organisation. Office based employees are still allowed to work from the office, again forbidden in the uk.

Just been chatting to a co- worker; she's been to a cafe this morning and had a coffee, sitting outside alone mind. Restaurants and bars are still open, table service only. No restrictions on exercise or movement. Building work going on as normal.

Her view is that Swedes are very trusting of authority, and are not pushing, and will not push, the boundaries. So lock down not necessary.

I guess we'll see in a month or so how the fatalities are as to whether it's been sufficient.
 
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tom73

Guru
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Yorkshire
So following on from school closing
1st it was 4 days before my line manger out of good will having waited for some official message from management.
Emailed us explaining work was all but off till when ever this is over.
Now the blockheads have lost 2 months of timesheets I personally handed to the very person who needed them.
Due to closure line manger working from home won't be going in till it's her turn in 8 weeks time.
Oh and still no word from management. :sad:
 
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Does the mail give any reason why they feel that kettling their residents into even fewer open spaces during the spread of a proximity-correlated pandemic is a good idea?

I'll add "Essex County Council" to the list of governments keen to kill its voters, alongside "France" and "Ireland".
Before the list it says this,
Does the mail give any reason why they feel that kettling their residents into even fewer open spaces during the spread of a proximity-correlated pandemic is a good idea?

I'll add "Essex County Council" to the list of governments keen to kill its voters, alongside "France" and "Ireland".
Before the list it says this

Essex County Council has closed Essex Country Parks, Cressing Temple Barns, Jaywick Martello Tower, Essex Record Office, our owned Mills, and Essex Outdoors.
This difficult decision was made to help limit the spread of coronavirus and with the health and safety of our visitors and staff in mind, following the government’s national guidance around gatherings and social distancing.
To confirm, this closure affects the following Country Parks:

I don't agree with it either. Presumably they don't want folk wandering through agricultural land and facilities instead?
 
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