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roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
Really sorry to hear how you're feeling, and I take your point completely. However, I doubt it's really possible to have such a thread without some discussion of numbers. I'll personally try not to put it to the fore.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Not all of them. "Charter flights are already up and running to Ghana and Tunisia." Both well within the 7400km range of Easyjet's A321neo planes and they actually had a service to Tunisia launching 2 May 2020. Even London to New York is famously 5555km. They can't do the really long hauls like Peru but there's plenty that they can.
Any not served by other airlines, as a priority.
Got a link?
Yes, that's part of the point: the gov't made damn sure to fund the big companies promptly, while the self-employed got prevarication and now 100s of them and workers between jobs get shafted.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...nes-to-fly-back-more-tourists-stranded-abroad
matticus
Guru
I think there is a balance here. Google is there for everyone; even if CC banned mentioning the numbers, any member wanting them could access them in seconds! It is hardly some sort of public service to post updates across every thread.
Can you imagine Churchill's war-room, if every 10minutes someone ran in screaming the latest casualty figures?!? It would be absurd. If a discussion requires a stat, people can access it, but you don't need a constant commentary.
"Up 20!"
"Down 2!"
"Up again. Oh noes!"
etc
etc
If people do not like the content of any thread, the ignore option is there.
To discuss a pandemic without discussing the numbers would be utterly pointless.
A bit like discussing cycling but never mentioning tyres because some one has a rubber phobia.
To be honest, my initial reaction to that was one of disappointment and insult, but after taking some time to reflect before replying, I can assume the correct interpretation is a good faith "protect yourself if it's messing you up"
However, I have no issue with being exposed to relevant information or discussion, and I certainly don't think it's good to remove the magnitude of the crisis as a topic worthy of discussion.
My point, I guess, is that there are plenty of scenarios where raising the numbers is informative, relevant and important, such as "the trend is showing that..." or "there's a sudden uptick/downtick, i wonder what caused that" or "I think the effects of measure x in place y are starting to make a difference, because statistics"
This is not a criticism of any poster at all, like I say I've done it myself, it's that the "x people died in y today" where x is yesterday's x multiplied by ~1.4 is starting to feel voyeuristic, and I can't disassociate the fact that these numbers are not some mathematical abstraction but are rather ordinary people many of whom were healthy 3 weeks ago.
Maybe I should ignore this thread.
Racing roadkill
Guru
Today was the second day in a row the increase rate was down in the U.K. looking at the last few days, the rate is bumping about, on a pretty much straightening line.
Those are both positives. It’s early days, but if it continues like that over the next few days, the goal of slowing the rates down enough to not swamp the NHS, would be looking far more likely. It’s never ‘good’ news when people are still dying, but the powers that be have got to grow a thick skin, and look at the bigger picture, and react to that. That bigger picture is looking far more encouraging than it has been so far. Let’s not forget that no one is reporting the deaths from seasonal flu, which does also put a lot of people in intensive care / carry a mortality rate each and every year, whereas this ‘emergency’ is being reported everywhere. That means Keeping perspective is made more difficult.
Those are both positives. It’s early days, but if it continues like that over the next few days, the goal of slowing the rates down enough to not swamp the NHS, would be looking far more likely. It’s never ‘good’ news when people are still dying, but the powers that be have got to grow a thick skin, and look at the bigger picture, and react to that. That bigger picture is looking far more encouraging than it has been so far. Let’s not forget that no one is reporting the deaths from seasonal flu, which does also put a lot of people in intensive care / carry a mortality rate each and every year, whereas this ‘emergency’ is being reported everywhere. That means Keeping perspective is made more difficult.
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Rocky
Hello decadence
I don't think it was meant as an insult - just someone trying to be helpful. I agree seeing the figures can be really depressing. I think people deal with these things and try and make sense of them in different ways. Some people like narratives, some like statistical analysis and some prefer not to see these things unfolding by the day. That's the strength of CC - there are all sorts as members.
We all need to find ways to survive this mentally - constant 24hr rolling news and commentary takes its toll. We've all got to find what works for us. I tend to let the figures wash over me, my wife studies them endlessly - but we both know which subjects to avoid when we discuss this. Do take care - I believe we are all going to be changed by this, even if we and our loved ones escape the worse of the virus. I guess what I'm saying is that there's no rights and no wrongs here.
....edit: seeing what's just been posted, I might just give this thread a miss too
......it's almost as if someone is trying a windup.roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
More from Sweden, sounds like a bit of challenge starting to their unique approach.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-sweden-coronavirus-stoicism-lockdown-europe
I've many friends there, I hope they've got it right.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-sweden-coronavirus-stoicism-lockdown-europe
I've many friends there, I hope they've got it right.
- Location
- London
Apologies if asked before, i drop out of this thread for obvious reasons.
But can anyone explain to me the rather different approach being taken by sweden and Japan to lockdowns?
Are they bonkers or do they know something/following some clever strategy?
Ah, just seen post above jumped in.
So two of us intrigued.
But can anyone explain to me the rather different approach being taken by sweden and Japan to lockdowns?
Are they bonkers or do they know something/following some clever strategy?
Ah, just seen post above jumped in.
So two of us intrigued.
Rocky
Hello decadence
Standing back and ignoring the human costs, it does seem a very interesting natural experiment. Perhaps Sweden is right and we are wrong. Time will tell. I do fear for the Swedish people if their leaders are wrong.
- Location
- London
Yes it is intriguing to say the least.
And i have always had a very good impression of sweden and its society.
Only bad words i have ever heard about it came from a marketing woman in an ex swedish client who for reasons best know to herself was always bitching about the tax in meetings.
And i have always had a very good impression of sweden and its society.
Only bad words i have ever heard about it came from a marketing woman in an ex swedish client who for reasons best know to herself was always bitching about the tax in meetings.
