Coronavirus outbreak

[winjim]

Just read this........I can see restrictions in place for a whole lot longer yet. I think the mention of 3 weeks was just to break us in gently.

UK lockdown 'could last until June'
Tough measures to tackle the outbreak in the UK have been in force for nearly a week - but a leading government adviser has warned they may need to remain in place until June.
Imperial College London Professor Neil Ferguson told the Sunday Times: “We’re going to have to keep these measures (the full lockdown) in place, in my view, for a significant period of time – probably until the end of May, maybe even early June.”
He added that even if the lockdown was lifted, people would probably still need to abide by social distancing measures for months to come.
Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove told Sky News that the length of the measures was not something that was "absolutely fixed".
He said: "It depends on all of our behaviour. If we follow the guidelines, we can deal more effectively with the spread of the disease."
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I can't help think that 'breaking us in gently' has been part of the problem. It's also rather at odds with the concept of 'British Spirit' or whatever, dontcha think?

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

No idea if this is from who it makes out to be.
But the wording is true enough

View: https://twitter.com/alexdowsett/status/1244042957898088448?s=20

Aye, and the police will be likely more deadly than CV-19.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Ah sorry, missed that, an oncologist!!! cancer doctors, pah as if they know anything.

He also happens to be an adviser to the WHO, but we have BJ who needs the WHO

Note the "if true" caveat.

 

[Johnno260]

Well seems 97 Grandma has issues, they can’t control her heart rate and the other patient in the bay with her tested positive for C-19

 

[oldfatfool]

The bold I quoted was the comparison to seasonal flu, why doesn't the country or world for that matter go into lock down for the flu every year? Look at flu statistics and 100's of thousands die from the flu every year but no one bat's an eyelid, no one panics when they get a cold everyone continues to work. I get that this covid 19 may be more virulent and may have a greater death rate (we can't say for sure because no one knows exactly how many people have had it as mass testing isn't happening) BUT I don't get why flu is ignored compared to this. There as to be something we aren't being told, whether that is an agenda on a worldwide scale or to avoid mass panic I don't know.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

The bold I quoted was the comparison to seasonal flu, why doesn't the country or world for that matter go into lock down for the flu every year? Look at flu statistics and 100's of thousands die from the flu every year but no one bat's an eyelid, no one panics when they get a cold everyone continues to work. I get that this covid 19 may be more virulent and may have a greater death rate (we can't say for sure because no one knows exactly how many people have had it as mass testing isn't happening) BUT I don't get why flu is ignored compared to this. There as to be something we aren't being told, whether that is an agenda on a worldwide scale or to avoid mass panic I don't know.

Graphic to compare flu and COVID for you from NY data should answer your question.

View: https://i.imgur.com/A5gjjrh.png

 

[Pale Rider]

Efit: indeed in that letter it still says that travel to work is permitted if it can't be done from home, no mention of essential work.

The aim is to keep the public indoors as much as possible.

There is no ban on work, essential or otherwise.

To help keep everyone indoors, the government has ordered non essential shops to close.

Businesses affected in that way are still allowed to trade online, many still are, although some have closed their online business as well.

It is accepted a business still trading online will need some staff to travel to the office and warehouse/distribution facility.

However, there is an expectation that as many as can work from home will do so.

 

[oldfatfool]

Well seems 97 Grandma has issues, they can’t control her heart rate and the other patient in the bay with her tested positive for C-19

Very sorry to hear that, I hope she pulls through, as she got this virus?

 

[oldfatfool]

Graphic to compare flu and COVID for you from NY data should answer your question.

View attachment 511125
View: https://i.imgur.com/A5gjjrh.png

Not really flu as been killing on average 125? People a week since the study started in one state alone, so I am asking then at what point does the death rate warrant lock down?

 

[oldfatfool]

The aim is to keep the public indoors as much as possible.

There is no ban on work, essential or otherwise.

To help keep everyone indoors, the government has ordered non essential shops to close.

Businesses affected in that way are still allowed to trade online, many still are, although some have closed their online business as well.

It is accepted a business still trading online will need some staff to travel to the office and warehouse/distribution facility.

However, there is an expectation that as many as can work from home will do so.

Hmmm so working in a factory or office with air conditioning with 100's of others for 8 hours is OK but walking in the open air away from your front door for more than an hour will lead to zombie apocalypse

 

[winjim]

The bold I quoted was the comparison to seasonal flu, why doesn't the country or world for that matter go into lock down for the flu every year? Look at flu statistics and 100's of thousands die from the flu every year but no one bat's an eyelid, no one panics when they get a cold everyone continues to work. I get that this covid 19 may be more virulent and may have a greater death rate (we can't say for sure because no one knows exactly how many people have had it as mass testing isn't happening) BUT I don't get why flu is ignored compared to this. There as to be something we aren't being told, whether that is an agenda on a worldwide scale or to avoid mass panic I don't know.

Flu isn't ignored. There's a massive publicity campaign every year to make sure people get their vaccines.

 

[mjr]

@Unkraut what did you think of Merkel's address to the nation today?
An excellent speech imo, frank, to the point, no sugarcoating the issue.
I listened to it in German this morning, couldn't find an English translation to put on here, have you got one?

Not a full translation but an English language report of it at https://apnews.com/96cc19652caa5602ac47351e3e6dcc54

 

[MarkF]

Have I got this right? About 600 CV19 patients are still in critical care across England, Wales and NI. England has about 4000 critical care beds, usually at about 80% capacity. Meaning that the ICU mortality statistics are likely to become rather skewed rather quickly...

I expect there'll soon be a time when they are more selective with admittees so it might not go so wonky so quickly. Many with or with suspected Covid-19 are in wards where you are not expected to leave, the ones I have come into contact with are probably leaving this world soon regardless.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Posted at 10:00
BREAKING UK to be in lockdown for 'significant period'
The UK needs to prepare to be under strict measures for a "significant period", Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove says.

From BBC live updates

 

[oldfatfool]

They need to roll out blanket testing, let those that have had it/ carry immunity to it get on with their lives, look after those that currently have it and monitor/ restrict everyone else. At least with blanket testing there would be a better knowledge of the actual death and recovery rate. Trump is correct, and that's something I never thought I would say.