Coronavirus outbreak

[ozboz]

My colleague's nephew died, in London, earlier today.
He was 19, healthy, no underlying conditions.
He took not well, with Corona Virus symptoms, was told to stay at home for 7 days by NHS 111.
He got worse, his heart stopped, a friend did CPR, his heart started again.
When the ambulance came, he was put on a ventilator but one of his lungs collapsed. He died in the ambulance.
It was unclear if there was a nearby hospital with beds available.
Prior to feeling ill, he was traveling by tube to work, a two hour journey each way.
I wonder if his death will be reported tomorrow.
I think London is, like Milan was for Italy, the epicentre of corona virus for the UK.
Not all what's happening in the UK is reported, imo.

this is terrible news @Pat "5mph",
I hope you are not correct about the reporting , but hey , would we be surprised ,
In a nutshell , No ,

 

[ianrauk]

My colleague's nephew died, in London, earlier today.
He was 19, healthy, no underlying conditions.
He took not well, with Corona Virus symptoms, was told to stay at home for 7 days by NHS 111.
He got worse, his heart stopped, a friend did CPR, his heart started again.
When the ambulance came, he was put on a ventilator but one of his lungs collapsed. He died in the ambulance.
It was unclear if there was a nearby hospital with beds available.
Prior to feeling ill, he was traveling by tube to work, a two hour journey each way.
I wonder if his death will be reported tomorrow.
I think London is, like Milan was for Italy, the epicentre of corona virus for the UK.
Not all what's happening in the UK is reported, imo.

 

[mjr]

Pubs were told to close at end of Friday if I recall with a strong call to not head out for a last drink.

Told to, but not ordered until Saturday. And that was the only order before the full lockdown. Not gradual at all, that's the point, but Boris can do no wrong for some on here. His earlier of denial of lockdown effectiveness, his recent Sgt Wilson act and his Mother's Day blunder are mistakes which will have caused unnecessary deaths.

 

[Johnno260]

Be interesting to see that graph plotted against one where more people ignored stay at home requests.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

This won’t end well in the USA, if they didn’t already have enough challenges right now.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying

 

[ozboz]

I’m getting wound up from the post @Pat "5mph" put on , without getting into all the politics of it all but when you think about it the TfL Union are not shy to stop commuters on a grand scale for their own stance on whatever , but thousands of people’s lives including TfL employees are in jeopardy here why can’t they the TfL Unions move on the Government or Khan to pull the plug on tube journeys ,
Bloody Disgrace !!

 

[Johnno260]

This won’t end well in the USA, if they didn’t already have enough challenges right now.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying

I work for a USA firm and a colleague there is pretty scared, there is a rush on guns and ammo and a lot of hate crime against Asians, he is Korean and has been subject to some verbal abuse.

For all the issues in Europe, I much prefer being here then in the USA, even with our O2 cylinder stealing, Ambulance tyre slashing Muppets.

 

[mjr]

This won’t end well in the USA, if they didn’t already have enough challenges right now.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying

And here's another challenge for the USA, Trump wants to unlock the lockdowns: https://www.thejournal.ie/us-coronavirus-donald-trump-lockdown-5055499-Mar2020/

 

[Mr Celine]

This won’t end well in the USA, if they didn’t already have enough challenges right now.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying

They've only had 597 covid19 deaths so far this year. They've already had 8881 gun deaths. Maybe this is why Trump is more worried about the economy.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Just got an email saying a major company involved in house building having shut down today is re-opening all sites tomorrow after consultations with government.

Very strange and mixed messages being sent.

 

[RecordAceFromNew]

Italy figures are bad again. 743 deaths. Some regions not so bad news, other regions bad bad news.

Oh, that's grim. I was hoping they had turned a corner.

Here's hoping we learn from them.

Yes. Sadly, it is too late for the couple of thousands here who will be dead in a couple of weeks.

Looking at the trajectories in the chart below, it seems likely Spain is going to end up worse off than Italy - it doesn't look as if its curve is going to cross under the Italian one any time soon:

I think the structural issues in US will make the hit there no better, for longer, than in Europe. At-will employment is the most common form of employment agreement in US, it gives employees practically zero security. While some states/insurers have made tests free, there is no free universal healthcare, and even the majority who do have health insurance will be reluctant to go to hospital due to large excess (called deductibles, average is over $4000 per person) plus substantial copayment (most are 30% to 40%) on top, cap at usually another $4000 or so. With Trump worried that a lockdown would hurt the economy (as if millions dying wouldn't), he is already talking about getting people back to work, all the while total fatality is doubling every 3 days!

 

[Unkraut]

Does anybody think there is any credibility at all in the notion that the cure is worse than the disease, the argument that crashing the economy in the longer term - reduced prosperity - will do more damage to health than much more limited measures to keep the spread down rather than lockdowns? The idea that a massively contracted British economy for the next 5 years or so will mean less money for the NHS with the obvious knock-on effect.

I'm not convinced myself, but it's not an argument without some merit.

 

[marinyork]

Spain may end up worse than Italy becauase it did very little testing and a cluster is in a gigantic population centre which ran out of control. It also depends how those italian regions in the south go. The last day or so maybe just caught it in time.

Despite the massive feck up in construction workers going to work, aside from London and Wales the UK still has some days ahead on Italy to rectify things. Not much time but some.

The UK and Spain also have some chance to save a small % of lives with their new testing regimes. The UK and Spain may also be able to spare the worst ravages to more rural areas with the testing coming on stream, if the spread can be slowed.

 

[Soltydog]

Coop look to be going a good job

IMO the Coop have done a better job at handling this than many of the 'Big' players, restricting sales earlier & on my last visit all customers seemed to be being asked if they required loo roll & paracetamol, they had stock in the back, but were not putting it on shelves to stop panic buying But all supermarket staff seemed to be coping with the unprecedented demand very well & many & still doing there job as well as they can & smiling, thank you all x

My colleague's nephew died, in London, earlier today.
He was 19, healthy, no underlying conditions.

Prior to feeling ill, he was traveling by tube to work, a two hour journey each way.
I wonder if his death will be reported tomorrow.

So sorry to hear that I hope it does get reported, as the media tends to keep 'reporting' that the young are unaffected by the virus
Working on public transport myself I was initially worried that I was at high risk of catching this virus, but our passenger numbers have dropped dramatically & now trains are running round pretty empty most of the time, so hopefully my chances of catching CV have been reduced significantly, although today I was on standby for 8 hours, sat in the messroom whilst everyone came & went Around 6:30 this evening it got a little too crowded so I left & sat on a platform bench for an hour to minimise risk. Hope it's worked & we all make it out the other side

Firstly, Johnson simply doesn't believe rules apply to him. He thinks he's entitled to behave however he wants.

Like many of the 'Elite' & not just regarding CV

 

[RecordAceFromNew]

Does anybody think there is any credibility at all in the notion that the cure is worse than the disease, the argument that crashing the economy in the longer term - reduced prosperity - will do more damage to health than much more limited measures to keep the spread down rather than lockdowns? The idea that a massively contracted British economy for the next 5 years or so will mean less money for the NHS with the obvious knock-on effect.

I'm not convinced myself, but it's not an argument without some merit.

"Limited measures" will not keep the spread down sufficiently for UK. Else we wouldn't have implemented lockdown.

I think the smart money currently, is that 1) lockdown, 2) contact tracing, and 3) border control are all needed to control the virus spreading in the population (keeping R0 under 1, technically speaking).

I think the answer to your question, which is a perfectly valid one, is well argued here.