Coronavirus outbreak

[Julia9054]

The same

My drug regime puts me in the very high risk group according to this asthma uk list but if you look at the government list, it states severe asthma which has a specific definition and is not me. I have not been on oral steroids for 20 years and have not been hospitalised since I was 19. I will just have to wait and see if I get one of these NHS letters this week

 

[vickster]

I think the advice on gloves is that they are near pointless - a better vector for transmission than your bare hands and less able to be washed.

I believe it's rather recommended to ensure you wash your hands often, and immediately after returning home. Eg from the Independent and well sourced:

Corner shop is under 10 minutes away, gloves just stop the sticking of fingers in mouth on way back home, where hands can be washed. It was also chilly on Friday night so gloves kept fingers warm too

 

[Mugshot]

No

Thank you.

 

[marinyork]

Buy what you need and get out, wear gloves, don't touch anything (the lady in my local one was also wearing gloves on Friday night). All the advice was to avoid being close to others for 15 minutes hence don't gather for a picnic - I have not seen a change to that advice. This is the issue, the guidance is very muddled. Clearly if the shop is now a social meeting place, then avoid. I was in and out in 5 minutes

The guidance is everywhere. It's within families. It's within households. It's in shops. It's in workplaces. It's within GP surgeries. Health settings. In parks. In playgrounds. Everywhere. Where possible. If not implementable then as soon as possible.

There was a bit of a saga over playgrounds yesterday where someone said about this and the media went to town and then realised hey they've closed playgrounds in Ireland. It got brought up at the press conference. What the DCMO has said before doesn't contradict this, it's just that they recognise that people don't listen and 'difficulties' in implementing it. The DCMO previously talked about if children within the same family play together or are a bit closer at times they generally have the same risk - but only if isolated from others a bit. I think the emphasis was a bit more on the 2 m yesterday as ministers were probably tired of seeing tv and instagram photos as I've seen of large groups of families all mixing together at picnics, bbqs, socials and in playgrounds. For older groups parties. For older groups yet mass trips to any sort of park of venue still open.

The advice on groups which puzzles some people is that groups of 10-20 people who know each other reasonably well seem particularly bad. This may be within a large venue with mixing. There's the before and after socialising too. This is why for large gatherings and particularly outside ones advice has been that large gatherings are not worse than "small" ones.

 

[Pale Rider]

My drug regime puts me in the very high risk group according to this asthma uk list but if you look at the government list, it states severe asthma which has a specific definition and is not me. I have not been on oral steroids for 20 years and have not been hospitalised since I was 19. I will just have to wait and see if I get one of these NHS letters this week

I won't attempt to interpret the conditions on the government list.

But assuming I have the right list, it does say: "Shielding is for your personal protection, it is your choice to decide whether to follow the measures we advise."

Which leaves gives you the wiggle room not to follow any or all of the advice if you know some of it would not help you.

I think I will get a letter, and have no problem following most of the advice - I'm doing a lot of that now.

But I would want to continue to buy my own food, which the get out clause means I can without feeling guilty.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ng-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19

 

[tom73]

@Mugshot @Pale Rider
The big problem with McD and employment ever since the early days. Is it's wide use of the franchise model so not one big solution and unpicking who your employer is and who is responsible for what. They don't have a great record with government payout. When Cameron did the old "look we have big names backing key skills education for workers". They handed over funding some payed for staff if they went on courses. McD pocketed it and spent it on in house training.

 

[pawl]

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Yep , I wonder if they had a flake and raspberry toppings on their ‘corono-cones !

But they need enforced lockdowns or totally harsh penalties for bars, pubs that open, I would fine, prosecute and revoke their license indefinitely.
I cycled pasts 4 pubs, all open, all packed total idiots all of them.
This crisis has shown me a large portion of the country are total morons.
The NHS opening time for Tesco’s was a nice idea but my wife won’t do it again it was more dangerous.

 

[Duffy]

I wonder if cyclists think they are invincible. I, along with missus and 2 teenagers, are on day 5 of 14 self isolating. 2 of us have symptoms. We have 2 dogs which are getting walked by all of us every day, we stay well away from other owners. I've been out on the bike most days, and this morning was amazed at the number of big groups of weekend warriors out, even more so to see them gathering in a café in Addlestone. What is wrong with people?

that’s an interesting take on ‘self isolation’ due to symptoms in the house (and a great chance of you being infectious)

Going out on the bike every day???? I thought the clear advice was to stay inside

 

[pawl]

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Yep , I wonder if they had a flake and raspberry toppings on their ‘corono-cones !

 

[Unkraut]

They handed over funding some payed for staff if they went on courses. McD pocketed it and spent it on in house training.

McDonald's training:

Course A: here you learn to cook the food

Course B: here you learn to cook the books.

(Sorry! - but a little bit of occasional light relief helps.)

 

[pawl]

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Is there collective term for a group of dick heads

 

[vickster]

For most people they don't wear gloves for PPE for infection control. Mass inexperienced wearing is a bad idea it stop's you remembering to wash your hands. Also at what point are people removing them and in what way? When worn correctly they are designed to be removed after ever procedure. Not as everyday wear. In fact your making it worse not better and the risk is higher.

You go out to the shop , come home wash your hands, wash your hands every time you want to touch your face, prep and eat food, blow your nose, every time you've been to the loo. Really the simple advice if your not truly use to this and don't practice it as part of your job.
If in doubt wash your hands , hot water and good old soap. For 20 sec and mack sure you get ever bit clean don't forget the back of your hands.

What ever new government stuff comes out the basic hand washing message will always stay. It simple , works and lets face it it's not rocket science.

Who doesn’t wash their hands after going to the toilet (or urinating/defecating)...one of the reasons why men urinaring outside is revolting wherever it is, how do you wash your hands afterwards?

Apparently (based on what a prof of microbiology said on a programme that I saw a while back), hot water is not an absolute, it’s more for comfort. The aim is to wash off the nasties, the soap does the killing

 

[Duffy]

Up the thread I rambled about her indoors flight to England being cancelled last week and how she re-booked for the Sunday flight, yesterdays flight. This was shortly before I heard the news that travel restrictions would be in place here within 24 hours.
The flight on Sunday actually went ahead, without her. I explained that nowhere on the self cert "attestation" we have to make before traveling ANYWHERE did it mention a trip to an airport to drop someone off who wants to attend to domestic matters elsewhere.
This caused some friction between us but as the week of news from all over Europe went by it finally sank in that there is no business in Britain so pressing or urgent for her that she needed to be there.
She is an intelligent person but it seems that many are in a state of denial regarding the seriousness of this outbreak, even when faced with TV images of temporary hospitals and news with increased death counts every day.
The choice of staying put in remote countryside or a metropolitan area of 2.8 million people was very easy for me to make, for her it took some persuading.

There appears to be a distance between people that are genuinely essential to the world going around and those of us who just think we are.

The categorisation of what’s genuinely important in day to day life is undergoing stress testing just now for a lot of folks also

😊

 

[Pale Rider]

@Mugshot @Pale Rider
The big problem with McD and employment ever since the early days. Is it's wide use of the franchise model so not one big solution and unpicking who your employer is and who is responsible for what. They don't have a great record with government payout. When Cameron did the old "look we have big names backing key skills education for workers". They handed over funding some payed for staff if they went on courses. McD pocketed it and spent it on in house training.

I believe most McDonalds are franchised - there are a couple of businessmen around here who have a few restaurants each.

However, the McDonalds chief exec is confident of near full compliance with the closure order.

There could be a term in the franchise contract which makes him think that.

 

[marinyork]

She is an intelligent person but it seems that many are in a state of denial regarding the seriousness of this outbreak, even when faced with TV images of temporary hospitals and news with increased death counts every day. The choice of staying put in remote countryside or a metropolitan area of 2.8 million people was very easy for me to make, for her it took some persuading.

It could just be moral hazard.