Me too Rusty. I see myself as a glass 1/2 full person but only for lifes trivial business, the important things make me glass 1/2 empty and awaiting a refill.
I did say in the adjoining sentence

Me too Rusty. I see myself as a glass 1/2 full person but only for lifes trivial business, the important things make me glass 1/2 empty and awaiting a refill.
Seriously.....no. You got me thinking so I bounced that off MrsD. We can't think of one that is not part of a chain eg Spar or McColls. Cannot think of a single independant one. I do drive a few miles to the butcher and to the farm shop but apart from that.....nowt.Must be one you can drive to?
eh?maybe vickster had been isolating since the birth of punk.
folk will continue to favour supermarkets and aldi and lidl for the reasons they long have.
Especially so in these severely straightened times.
I see the rise of Aldi and Lidl continuing apace after this - folk realising that they don't need 102 varieties of whatever, stuff supposedly created/inspired by/a homage to renaissance barons/peasants -but can instead just use basic simple ingredients a la Catford.
Try Spar or MCColls then, if you can't get what you want from a supermarket - those are often run by individual retailers, they aren't a chain like the supermarketsSeriously.....no. You got me thinking so I bounced that off MrsD. We can't think of one that is not part of a chain eg Spar or McColls. Cannot think of a single independant one. I do drive a few miles to the butcher and to the farm shop but apart from that.....nowt.
Near the butchers there are several Polish shops that I triedbut I have no idea what most of the stuff is.
On the retired section I suggest a bartering system eg I will swap one bog roll (unused) for a bottle of Cognac. For some reason I got not takersthanks for the update - fits with the trend I have been watching - my shopping can easily await until the back end of next week.
I did yesterday stroll, distancing, round my local sainsburys.
Tiny scraps of more exotic pasta left, no rice apart from those barmy individual portion microwave packs - but at least signs of improvement.
Beer and wine aisles largely stripped - following pub closures I suppose.
No shortage of some artisinal raspberry vodka - folk retaining some sort of sense.
Buy what you need and get out, wear gloves, don't touch anything (the lady in my local one was also wearing gloves on Friday night). All the advice was to avoid being close to others for 15 minutes hence don't gather for a picnic - I have not seen a change to that advice. This is the issue, the guidance is very muddled. Clearly if the shop is now a social meeting place, then avoid. I was in and out in 5 minutes
Should I wear gloves to protect myself?
The NHS says that items like face masks and gloves play a “very important role” in a clinical setting but there is “little widespread evidence” that they are useful for members of the public.
Public Health England (PHE) and the World Health Organisation has also not recommended people wear gloves or face masks to protect themselves.
A spokesperson for PHE tells The Independent: “PHE is not recommending the use of gloves as a protective measure against COVID-19 for the general public.
“People concerned about the transmission of infectious diseases should prioritise good personal, respiratory and hand hygiene.”
A virologist at Imperial College London also told The Independent that they worry items like gloves give a “false sense of security” and washing hands is a far better precautionary measure.
This is quite a late one but there's a reason for the late reply.
Sky news has been using this chart from time to time the last 24 hours. Myself personally I'm not particularly a visual communicator I know that Italy has implemented three lock downs and another three substantial restrictions and when they happened. If it helps others then why not.
On a technical point there are a couple of reasons why the government may not particularly like using it. The DCMO got drawn a little bit too much, in an answer to a question, to talking about the case rates, the death rates in Italy and here someone partially quoted what they said. I'm not quite sure why the PHE/government view focuses on this a bit too much. It may be that the government side is worried about criticism (although there's a flippant answer to that and that if they are worried about how the death rates appears to the media, if we get our testing regime frigging sorted it'll look better). Another technical point the DCMO alluded to that hasn't been picked up, it is generally reckoned that in bits of Italy particularly 5 or 6 provinces people are dying at home and so not part of the hospital numbers and not part of the death count (in the UK this isn't happening). Sadly, this is very plausible. One of the interesting bits in different bits of Italy is people have said they hear 'fewer ambulances in these days'. That could mean the virus is under control, or it could just mean that they aren't taking people to hospital.
In terms of communicating to the public, I feel that Boris does a particularly poor job on this one. The best team to communicate it at press conferences is probably DCMO Jenny Harries. You could also draft in Queenie at some point.
In terms of what's in the content as on this forum a lot of people in government are in highly professional jobs, are in the position of being privileged, very powerful, having their opinions listened to and so go off on one and think the public are morons. This tends to lead to being quite vague as is seen in some press conferences - not knocking having an epidemic curve in an early press conference it was good, but it was the verbal said that was good and not the graphics! The public understand what an exponential curve is, contrary to what particularly 5 or 6 people on this forum think. The alternative theory is that people think keep it simple (which has also been discussed on this thread). Content needs to focus on the specifics of social distancing. As said just yelling social distancing to everything doesn't work. It's one that many countries have grappled with as they've imposed numeric bans on groups of 50 or in Germany yesterday more than 2. A 5 minute video that is repeated throughout the day with medics, queenie, DCMO, videos and graphics and clearer advice is what's needed. Press conferences although useful just appeal to the vanity of politicians and journalists.
Lastly the person who goes most 'off message' from a politician's point of view, but not a scientific or reasonable one is DCMO Jenny Harries. The mental health side is clearly important to the medics and scientists. This isn't coming across to a society or media that's only really starting to talk about it. It's because it's something at societal level we're very bad at.
The Aldi I visited on Saturday has all the markings on the floor and has set out the shop differently as much as possible so people can keep the minimum 1.5 metres apart. Everyone seems to be following this rule as well. The shielding round the till was very makeshift! REWE, which is a bit posher, has posh shielding.We are behind: in Germany shops workers have a shield in front of the tills, most are card only, there are distance markings on the floors.
Hairdressers are still open.
Health minister Nadine Dorries is returning to work in Westminster after recovering from Covid-19.
She said on Twitter:
Good to be back in the saddle and able to play my part to help our PM, cabinet and the scientists who are working around the clock to keep us safe and #SaveLives.
I've broken my previous boycott and started preferring the supermarkets with handscanners again, keeping my gloves on too. At least if you get selected for full rescan, it's at a till that only does that IME, so no-one queueing behind you.I've never favoured Lidl or Aldi for anything. When I've bought their fresh or own brand stuff it's been no cheaper than Asda and to me less palatable (and I hate queuing to pay in supermarkets so choose ones with self check outs)
Your quotes do not support the "near pointless" claim. However, I feel it is wise to treat glove outers as probably-contaminated (like all the outside world) and wash them often.I think the advice on gloves is that they are near pointless - a better vector for transmission than your bare hands and less able to be washed.
I believe it's rather recommended to ensure you wash your hands often, and immediately after returning home. Eg from the Independent and well sourced:
The other big difficulty is the world of science, scientific thinking and words. Are now meeting the world of politics and once you get the two being used as one by politicians as it's just ever day language. Who just don't understand most if not all of it and treat it as sound bites. It's never going to be a happy ending. Then you have the press hanging on every little bit of stats or science that they can so easy take totally out of context. A public that believe what they want or it was on FB so it's fact. Politicians have for so long been use to going things that most people will like. Over night party politics no longer matters. So now the problem is the rules of the game have changed.
Who ever was in charge from what ever party would face the same challenge.
Some of the info coming out is not clear enough some is a bit messed up. This has to change and will I think will come quite quickly.
Much minus the politics and just plan government department stuff is much better.
Once it was easy they controlled the information as with the foot and mouth but now no-one controls it.
I think the advice on gloves is that they are near pointless - a better vector for transmission than your bare hands and less able to be washed.
I believe it's rather recommended to ensure you wash your hands often, and immediately after returning home. Eg from the Independent and well sourced:
I appreciate that some are happy on zero hour contracts, that is not a discussion I was attempting to start.
Do you know, either through talking to your friends or by doing your research, after McDs have paid 'til the start of April what someone that is on a zero hours contract gets 80% of?