Coronavirus outbreak

[Joey Shabadoo]

Grossly enough, far too many people. I have seen enough people walking straight out of the No2 trap and out of the door without pausing at the wash sinks, truly disgusting.
I'm not Howard Hughes level OCD but years ago I took to carrying wipes or small tissues to navigate my way through the dreaded door handles of buildings. I never used handrails on stairs and got pulled over several times by zealous site managers or safety officers for not having a hand on the rail while ascending or descending stairs. I don't like norovirus it makes me feel pretty awful.
Bar snacks in bowls, pub ice, I just do not touch.

PPG instituted a rule that everyone had to have one hand on a handrail when going up or down steps after an accident involving a sprained ankle. Within six months absence rates due to colds and flu had quadrupled so they put hand sanitising stations by all stairs but the absence rate stayed at double the pre handrail rule rate.

(they also brought in a rule that no-one was allowed to walk whilst talking on a mobile phone after someone hurt themselves whilst not paying attention. If your phone rang you had to immediately stand still or sit down)

 

[vickster]

I could give you a list of people at my place of work...

Male or female? I don't ever recall seeing a woman walk out of a toilet without hand washing (also before the advice started).
It's a serious question.
I carry sanitiser or wipes if I think I won't be able to wash my hands eg if travelling

 

[randynewmanscat]

Currently planning a climbing wall for the side of the garage with my son who is home from uni and missing his climbing gym. He can teach me to climb - make my arms as awesome as my legs and stop me going bonkers if it turns out I am stuck in the house for 12 weeks!

Be careful. Last time I was in England I was doing renovation work at the missus place. I only had 5" wheels for an old 4" angle grinder, easy remedy, take the guard off. As sure as eggs is eggs the tool slipped and sliced through a leather rigger glove and into my index finger.
One needless attendance at the walk in and 4 stitches later I was treated to some derision by my other half. I was thinking about the potential for home accidents as more people are forced to remain home and the added strain on health services. It is surely a good opportunity for fixing things, decorating and garden maintenance but it goes without saying, be careful unlike me with stupid written across his forehead.

 

[Inertia]

Apologies if this has been asked, but if a total lockdown does happen? How will people get food etc.

It does seem a bit at odds to ban pubs but allow people to walk around a close environment like a supermarket.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Male or female. I don't ever recall seeing a woman walk out of a toilet without hand washing before the advice started.

My wife says she sees it a lot. Also cubicles really filthy and toilet bowls overflowing with paper.

Probably worse with men imo but such filthy habits are not single sex.

 

[LCpl Boiled Egg]

Male or female? I don't ever recall seeing a woman walk out of a toilet without hand washing (also before the advice started).
It's a serious question.
I carry sanitiser or wipes if I think I won't be able to wash my hands eg if travelling

Male.

 

[Milkfloat]

Is there collective term for a group of dick heads

A parliament of dick heads?

 

[vickster]

Apologies if this has been asked, but if a total lockdown does happen? How will people get food etc.

It does seem a bit at odds to ban pubs but allow people to walk around a close environment like a supermarket.

I guess people have to buy food, and most don't spend a long time sitting around a small table for hours in a supermarket (the cafes have been closed)

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

My wife says she sees it a lot. Also cubicles really filthy and toilet bowls overflowing with paper.

Probably worse with men imo but such filthy habits are not single sex.

I used to be front of house manager at a theatre with a couple of bars etc. The women's loos were invariably filthier than the men's most nights.

 

[cosmicbike]

that’s an interesting take on ‘self isolation’ due to symptoms in the house (and a great chance of you being infectious)

Going out on the bike every day???? I thought the clear advice was to stay inside

Nope, allowed out to exercise. I have mixed with my family and nobody else since day 1.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Nope, allowed out to exercise. I have mixed with my family and nobody else since day 1.

Me too, except for food shopping

 

[Unkraut]

Male or female? I don't ever recall seeing a woman walk out of a toilet without hand washing (also before the advice started).
It's a serious question.

I wonder if this inattention to hygiene accounts for the 57% male infection rate just announced in the daily press briefing here. That's a fair difference.

 

[randynewmanscat]

Also reports this morning of ambulances having their tyres drilled.

Coronavirus Kent: Six ambulances have holes drilled in tyres in overnight attack in Ramsgate

Are the scrotes who would do that from the same tribe that light fires in public places then ambush the fire service when they arrive on the scene? They put Panasonic Arbitrator camera gear into the GMFRS vehicles many years ago to film these cavemen with a view to later prosecutions. These specimens live amongst your communities.

 

[tom73]

I have to drive to pick up food supplies, it is 13km to nearest shops. A friend and I discussed the various lengths necessary to avoid taking unwanted passengers home. Apart from the packaging that may have been handled by other shoppers minutes previously to you we came to the conclusion that car keys and once inside the car the controls, steering wheel etc would be a possible store for covid 19.
In the car you let down your guard, people pick their noses or rub their eyes. Last Wednesday was the last time I shopped and I had to train myself to keep my mitts off my face until my return home, I actually found it easier than I thought it would be.
The next time I shop I am going to hang a small bottle of alcohol gel wash off a belt loop and the moment I store the trolley in its bay I will be washing my hands with the gel before touching my car keys or unlocking my car.
Whether that procedure will increase my protection I cannot say but at the least it will keep the need to be vigilant in the front of my mind.
As for vinyl examination gloves, I would say if you remove and bin them immediately after your last presumed hazardous interaction and they have not touched any of you or your belongings then I would say they are effective, it is the way you use them that is of importance. Even taking a pair off, the first glove is easy, the second glove not so easy without the contamination of finger or thumb removing it.

You've just unknowing described why they are not a good idea for everyday use.

When do you intend to put the gloves on ? before you walk out the door? before you get your car keys? the list go's on.
It's impossible to be clinically clean in none clinical environments. You are going more harm than good with gloves. Just wash your hands every time you possibly put yourself at risk. The virus is a bad boy once it's in the body .Outside it however it's like a little kid when you mix it with hot water and soap. They both don't like it.

If you use hand gel as you say I take it you do your shopping wearing full PPE and have carried out full aseptic technique thought.
You've got a personal scrub nurse in the boot to help you. Your car has been though an autoclave and has been inspected within an inch of it life by an eagle eyed theatre sister. (even Cold-19 would run a mile from theatre sister)

You just don't know what the "last presumed hazardous interaction" is. It's not like a operating theatre where you learn that it's ok to touch anything just along as it's not green.

Just wash your hands often and if in doubt just do it. I've covered the how's and when already on here.

PS
If you think taking off gloves is hard then stay clear of using a fully sterile pair. Getting the 1st one on is an art in itself and once you get both on and remember you've forgot something then your really stuffed. (For nurses that's when junior doctors come in handy)

 

[randynewmanscat]

You've just unknowing described why they are not a good idea for everyday use.

When do you intend to put the gloves on ? before you walk out the door? before you get your car keys? the list go's on.
It's impossible to be clinically clean in none clinical environments. You are going more harm than good with gloves. Just wash your hands every time you possibly put yourself at risk. The virus is a bad boy once it's in the body .Outside it however it's like a little kid when you mix it with hot water and soap. They both don't like it.

If you use hand gel as you say I take it you do your shopping wearing full PPE and have carried out full aseptic technique thought.
You've got a personal scrub nurse in the boot to help you. Your car has been though an autoclave and has been inspected within an inch of it life by an eagle eyed theatre sister. (even Cold-19 would run a mile from theatre sister)

You just don't know what the "last presumed hazardous interaction" is. It's not like a operating theatre where you learn that it's ok to touch anything just along as it's not green.

Just wash your hands often and if in doubt just do it. I've covered the how's and when already on here.

PS
If you think taken off gloves is hard then stay clear of using a fully sterile pair. Getting the 1st one on is an art in itself and once you get both on and remember you've forgot something then your really stuffed. (For nurses that's when junior doctors come in handy)

Which is why I do not use gloves. We seek to minimise risk and with a trip to the shops we have to contend with people who maul and inspect fresh produce and even bread. Up thread I mentioned watching an old bloke pick up and maul every single head of batavia lettuce in a supermarket, squeezing them and fondling them as some shoppers do.
I made a mental note there and then not to buy salad veg for the foreseeable future. You can boil root veg but I ain't going to wash salad in soap and the way the old guy was mauling the stuff I expect any of the crap on his fingers was bruised into the soft flesh of the leaves.
I will say leaving your hand washing until you get home is a bad idea if you shop in your car, you leave anything on your hands all over the controls and contaminate yourself the very next time you pull the door handle of your car before you even get inside it.