Coronavirus outbreak

[oldfatfool]

I'm not in a position to discuss this with you from a medical view. I don't know if you're qualified in someway or not.

I feel the crucial word in your response is "detected." From what I've read the understanding of where this virus came from is still limited. It was discovered in November and could well have travelled for sometime before the Wuhan situation arose.

The supporting argument I put forward is my wife is a highly experienced retired medical professional. I have been with her for 42 years, for her to state she had Coronavirus in late December without truly believing and having considered her symptoms is utterly and totally out of character. She was more unwell than I have seen in those 42 years.

I know of other people, one equally qualified, who feel the same way.

Wouldn't be at all surprised if it hadn't been about for years and just this latest mutation as caused all the problems.

 

[Blue Hills]

It trumps any EU decision inasmuch as it says we should avoid all overseas travel unless essential.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51927790

As a master of words pale rider care to substitite something for the "t" word?

 

[Pale Rider]

I haven't checked these facts but if true its good news, its from my facebook feed.

📣📣 HOW ABOUT SOME GOOD NEWS!? 📣📣
📌 China has closed down its last coronavirus hospital. Not enough new cases to support them.
📌 Doctors in India have been successful in treating Coronavirus. Combination of drugs used: Lopinavir, Retonovir, Oseltamivir along with Chlorphenamine. They are going to suggest same medicine, globally.
📌 Researchers of the Erasmus Medical Center claim to have found an antibody against coronavirus.
📌 A 103-year-old Chinese grandmother has made a full recovery from COVID-19 after being treated for 6 days in Wuhan, China.
📌 Apple reopens all 42 china stores.
📌 Cleveland Clinic developed a COVID-19 test that gives results in hours, not days.
📌 Good news from South Korea, where the number of new cases is declining.
📌 Italy is hit hard, experts say, only because they have the oldest population in Europe.
📌 Scientists in Israel likely to announce the development of a coronavirus vaccine.
📌 3 Maryland coronavirus patients fully recovered; able to return to everyday life.
📌 A network of Canadian scientists are making excellent progress in Covid-19 research.
📌 A San Diego biotech company is developing a Covid-19 vaccine in collaboration with Duke University and National University of Singapore.
📌 Tulsa County's first positive COVID-19 case has recovered. This individual has had two negative tests, which is the indicator of recovery.
📌 All 7 patients who were getting treated for at Safdarjung hospital in New Delhi have recovered.
📌 Plasma from newly recovered patients from Covid -19 can treat others infected by Covid-19.
Above credit to: Michael Mathis 🙏
So it's not ALL bad news friends. Let's care for each other and stay focused on safety of those most vulnerable while continuing to make the best of our days. This too shall pass! I challenge you to spread the good news!
**If you google the above statements, they prove to be true**

Probably a bit too early to wash our hands to this tune, but there certainly are encouraging signs.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iABFZGzEjY

 

[Fab Foodie]

Are you out on the road? With that thing? ....Any excuse! You're an inate pepper

Only sometimes, decent hotels have bidets 😊

 

[Mugshot]

China it seems to me exists in a state of alternative truth.

See also UK and US (and plenty of others too)
Two weeks ago Johnson claimed he'd been shaking hands with Corona patients, now he's looking utterly panic striken when Peston asks him why the government are offering loans not bailouts, and by the end of the month the virus bill will pass bestowing enormous new powers on the state for two years.
Around three weeks ago Trump was saying that it was a hoax, then that they had 15 cases all getting better and everything was under control, now he says he takes no responsibility.
I don't disagree with your critique of Chinese rule, but you don't have to look very far from home to find bullshitting politicians or those looking to put into law potentially draconian measures.

 

[Mo1959]

you don't cook?
How's that work?
good time to learn.

in truth nothng to learn - very hard to totally ruin anything or make it inedible - i see it as experimenting)

Basically cereal or porridge for breakfast, sandwich or cold pasta for lunch and a ready meal for tea. Don't see the point of buying loads of different ingredients when I'm just on my own.

 

[Mugshot]

i would also say and dont hate me for this but toilet rolls arent the only way to clean ones under carriage, think terry nappies ....just saying

I've got three shells.

 

[PaulSB]

@Blue Hills @Pale Rider - thank you. The concern, well thought really, in my mind is fresh food supplies. It seems this terrible situation is going to last for a long, long time. I spent my working life in horticulture and know and understand the intricacies of moving fresh produce from production site to market. It was, for me, a main plank of reasons to remain in the EU.

We import 50% of our food, 30% from the EU, and I'm concerned about the situation in, say, 2-3 months time. Trucking tomatoes from Spain to the UK will be interesting - presuming someone picks them.

I'm fortunate to have a large allotment. I'm looking hard at my plans and how I shall vary them.

 

[Rocky]

I think it’s a bit premature to say that India has successfully treated Covid19 with a range of antivirals. No clinical trials have been completed. This one case is anecdotal. As I understand it, trials in the UK, EU and US are only just being designed. Sorry to dampen that piece of optimism.

 

[Pale Rider]

As a master of words pale rider care to substitite something for the "t" word?

Let's leave the Chump alone for once.

I'm bound to observe he was widely flamed on here and elsewhere for his ban on inbound travel.

Yet within days lots of other countries were doing the same.

 

[PaulSB]

to clarify, what I had was clearly no way as severe as what your wife had. And may very well not have been the virus anyway.
But I agree entirely with your logic.
Since we didn't know until very recently that this thing even existed, and the symptoms for some time would have been interpreted as being something else, it stands to reason that the first cases would be before what is currently appreciated.
Then add in that China covers stuff up and did initially.
and global air travel.
london is full of chinese students and tourists - lots arriving every day in normal times.
Whether it actually originated in china at all.
I see it as akin to serial killing sprees - takes time to see that cases are linked - you need to track back.

I am pretty sure that once we have got through this the first case will be before, very posibly well before, what is now currently logged.

Thank you. You've done an excellent job in expressing the thinking in our house and why I'm absolutely confident in what my wife says and believes - and that isn't always the case!! 😄

 

[Blue Hills]

See also UK and US (and plenty of others too)
Two weeks ago Johnson claimed he'd been shaking hands with Corona patients, now he's looking utterly panic striken when Peston asks him why the government are offering loans not bailouts, and by the end of the month the virus bill will pass bestowing enormous new powers on the state for two years.
Around three weeks ago Trump was saying that it was a hoax, then that they had 15 cases all getting better and everything was under control, now he says he takes no responsibility.
I don't disagree with your critique of Chinese rule, but you don't have to look very far from home to find bullshitting politicians or those looking to put into law potentially draconian measures.

sorry - am no fan of boris but you can't put the UK in the same camp as China. No comparison. In china we wouldn't even be having this exchange. And if we somehow managed it we could look forward to a knock on the door. And a bit of ever so friendly re-education.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

China has reported only a handful of new cases for the second day running.

I may be interpreting those figures incorrectly, but I wonder - if they continue - if the virus is going to fizzle out a lot faster than anyone is anticipating.

China is furthest along the virus outbreak curve.

The virus may also take its course whatever measures are adopted to combat it.

That contention will be reinforced if the likes of Italy and Iran follow a similar pattern.

Encouraging, my view is a government wouldn't be so keen to offer billions unless it thought it was actually going t wiggle out of it, but looking like it will do everything looks good and relieves immediate anxiety and worry.. sort of

If by April 15 we are seeing a downward curve? Then maybe it will be over by mid May..
We're making sure all public gatherings are off the table ,but its fine to go to busy supermarkets
Then we have medicle expers talking about 18mth for vaccine control?

Who knows

I agree with your remarks about China.

The bamboo curtain is still very much in existence when it comes to knowing what goes on internally, and what it's shielding is very likely not edifying.

But one can only make a judgment on what is known, even though that judgment must be a qualified one.

I agree with Levo that what's apparently happening in China is encouraging.

I also agree when he says our government will be hoping the virus will ease quickly once past its peak, thereby saving them from having to spend quite so many of the billions they announced yesterday.

I haven't checked these facts but if true its good news, its from my facebook feed.

📣📣 HOW ABOUT SOME GOOD NEWS!? 📣📣
📌 China has closed down its last coronavirus hospital. Not enough new cases to support them.
📌 Doctors in India have been successful in treating Coronavirus. Combination of drugs used: Lopinavir, Retonovir, Oseltamivir along with Chlorphenamine. They are going to suggest same medicine, globally.
📌 Researchers of the Erasmus Medical Center claim to have found an antibody against coronavirus.
📌 A 103-year-old Chinese grandmother has made a full recovery from COVID-19 after being treated for 6 days in Wuhan, China.
📌 Apple reopens all 42 china stores.
📌 Cleveland Clinic developed a COVID-19 test that gives results in hours, not days.
📌 Good news from South Korea, where the number of new cases is declining.
📌 Italy is hit hard, experts say, only because they have the oldest population in Europe.
📌 Scientists in Israel likely to announce the development of a coronavirus vaccine.
📌 3 Maryland coronavirus patients fully recovered; able to return to everyday life.
📌 A network of Canadian scientists are making excellent progress in Covid-19 research.
📌 A San Diego biotech company is developing a Covid-19 vaccine in collaboration with Duke University and National University of Singapore.
📌 Tulsa County's first positive COVID-19 case has recovered. This individual has had two negative tests, which is the indicator of recovery.
📌 All 7 patients who were getting treated for at Safdarjung hospital in New Delhi have recovered.
📌 Plasma from newly recovered patients from Covid -19 can treat others infected by Covid-19.
Above credit to: Michael Mathis 🙏
So it's not ALL bad news friends. Let's care for each other and stay focused on safety of those most vulnerable while continuing to make the best of our days. This too shall pass! I challenge you to spread the good news!
**If you google the above statements, they prove to be true**

Likewise; looking for positives too - the Italy new cases trend was reducing according to the BBC yesterday; hopefully this will continue today.

Whilst this situation does need to be taken seriously my view is that social media is as bad as the Fourth Estate - it seems to naturally focus on gloom and doom which is understandable if people are concerned about their health and, probably more to the point, their immediate financial future.

I've been in touch with a number of people who are in an absolutely shocking state mentally, these are not people who I would normally see as overt worriers/panickers, and they are purely responding to all the bad news in the press. Interestingly (?) 3 of the 4 people/families who are 'in a state' are glued to rolling news feeds in their homes.

Maybe some advice should be along the lines of be aware, stay safe but do things to take your mind off of the news for at least some of the day.

Maybe CC should have a CV Good News thread although we've probably got too many CV threads already .

 

[Rocky]

Only sometimes, decent hotels have bidets 😊

But if I use the bidet instead of loo paper, where will I chill my beers?

 

[Fab Foodie]

But if I use the bidet instead of loo paper, where will I chill my beers?

Tsk, the spa bath....