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Hampshire
We've got a couple of garden and decorating projects that need doing so are planning on getting the materials needed within the next few days so we can get on with them if we end up with a full lock down.
Just got some shopping in Lidl, it was busy but nobody seemed to be stockpiling stuff and the only things they didn't have were loo rolls and soap (although I did have to splash out on the expensive organic eggs).
 

Buck

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Tesco Prestatyn looking fairly empty. Pet food decimated...

that’s probably because they’ve sold out of pasta and baked beans :laugh:
 
This crisis is likely to affect jobs of many of my family. Nephew is a chef at a top restaurant, SIL is a swimming Teacher, other SIL/BIL have own electrical shop, other nephew works for Old Trafford Cricket.

My sis has friends that are both pilots. One was with flybe. They have a huge mortgage and recon can only afford another month.
We were told a couple of weeks ago that we will be expected to either bank hours, take holidays, or no pay, from anytime due to the lack of parts coming in from Italy and China. Both for us and our clients. They were talking about for up to 3 weeks but I suspect it could well become three months when you consider shipping delays etc once the countries do open up. Good old SAP management just in time manufacturing and the reduction of stock in the race for profit!
 
that’s probably because they’ve sold out of pasta and baked beans :laugh:
Aldi branch sold out of pasta and tinned tomatoes on Friday night. I popped over to a larger branch with the bike trailer at 8:00 Sat am. I was third in line with about 20 people behind me when the doors opened. I rebuilt my Brexit cupboard which was run down. Enough to get by for a while without going crazy and to feed my homestay student. Relying on our supply chain to keep going is optimistic.

Also sold out was flour. Yay for GB Bake Off.
 

pawl

Legendary Member
France hasn't implemented lockdown. It's closed bars and restaurants, just as I expect UK will do soon. The only countries to adopt lockdown are Italy and Spain. Every other European country has broadly the same approach as UK

Maybe UK lockdown will come, who knows? We are certainly going to lock down the elderly who are the ones who would swamp ICU.

It seems we are only disagreeing on the extent of a lockdown. Italy and Spain have gone for all people. UK will lockdown the elderly. Every other country hasn't announced anything

Yes us wrinkles are a real pain in the nether regions Just think of all the cash freed up when us oldens pop are clogs
 

RecordAceFromNew

Swinging Member
Location
West London
WHO questions UK virus approach as scientists call for more transparency

Tom Hancock reports from London from the FT:

The World Health Organization has questioned the British government’s policy of allowing Covid-19 to infect a large proportion of the country’s population in order for “herd immunity” to emerge.

“This virus… hasn’t been in our population for long enough for us to know what it does in immunological terms,” WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

“We can talk theories, but at the moment we are really facing a situation where we have got to look at action,” she said when asked about the British policy. “We want all the things you need to do to be done together,” including large-scale testing for the virus and tracing contacts, she added.

Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, has said it was desirable for around 60 per cent of Britain’s population to be infected with Covid-19 so that “herd immunity” can emerge in the population to protect the country in the longer term.

The theory has been presented as the basis for the British government’s refusal to take steps such as closures of large scale events, schools, bars and other venues which have been rolled-out across Europe aimed at stemming infections.

The comments from Ms Harris as a group of leading scientists wrote to the Times newspaper demanding the government release scientific models and evidence for its policy.

“There is no clear indication that the UK's response is being informed by the experiences of other countries in containing the spread of Covid-19,” the letter, which was signed by six infectious disease experts including Richard Horton, editor of prestigious medical journal The Lancet, stated.

“Transparency is essential to retain the scientific community, healthcare community and the public's understanding, co-operation and trust,” the letter added.

An editorial in the FT on Friday called Britain’s counter-virus strategy a significant gamble. Read it here



F**k herd immunity, and the CMO and CSA if they don't show the rationale and implication! As I have said all along. :gun:
 
a general comment to all of this is why do we all need to know everything about the strategy? To an extent this is a PR exercise in that we need to keep people informed but this should be drip fed based on current assessments.
Too many people feel they need to know everything but to what aim?

Ref work, then until you are told differently then I would go in. I too work in the NHS and I am expecting that tomorrow my role may well be different in that I could be supporting the front line teams in their roles? Not sure what your job is in the hospital but it could be the same for you?

With respect the comment I was responding to was he "happy with the BJ strategy"

I pretty much 90% think I will be in a classroom training doctors and nurses tommorow as normal.
 
I watched the PMs press conference last week, with the health and science advisors present and I thought the approach they were presenting to be very sensible and reasonable. The exponential growth of this thing though has me thinking that maybe we’re not doing nearly enough. the only thing that seems to combat this thing anything like effectively is complete lockdown- look at the China figures in that paper up thread.
I just heard the health secretary on the radio saying he felt that asking people to self isolate at this stage for 4 weeks would be too much, that they’d get bored, and I do agree it sounds like hell, but better bored than dead.


Of course it's too much - unfortunately the govt is going to have make some tough calls - it's not going to please everyone / anyone .....

There aren't many good options - govt is keen to quote its advisors - but then ignore the guidance from WHO ....
 
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