Da comrade, the article in the shitrag you linked to confirms the success of the misinformation campaign mounted by your friends in the east.
The science however is unanimous in showing that lockdown has indeed resulted in fewer deaths.
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The science however is unanimous in showing that lockdown has indeed resulted in fewer deaths.
johnblack
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Blimey, wasn’t even aware that this thread was still a thing.
Not sure if mentioned in here but The Lancet article earlier this month regarding excess deaths per 100k per country 2020-21 was very interesting.
England 125.8
NI 131.8
Wales 135.5
Scotland 130.6
USA 179.3
Germany 120.5
France 124.2
Italy 227
Holland 140
Spain 186.7
Sweden 91
Denmark 94
Belgium 146.6
Very similar comparisons and the German figures do raise a few questions about how they were viewed as being the country who dealt with the issue best.
Not sure if mentioned in here but The Lancet article earlier this month regarding excess deaths per 100k per country 2020-21 was very interesting.
England 125.8
NI 131.8
Wales 135.5
Scotland 130.6
USA 179.3
Germany 120.5
France 124.2
Italy 227
Holland 140
Spain 186.7
Sweden 91
Denmark 94
Belgium 146.6
Very similar comparisons and the German figures do raise a few questions about how they were viewed as being the country who dealt with the issue best.
mjr
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What Lancet article? What dates in 2020 and 2021?
They were, at first. Then they farked up, delaying and squabbling, and a government only needs fark up once and a lot of vulnerable people die and the figures get very close to governments that farked up repeatedly.
I suspect most of the variations will be explained by when the first wave hit a country, its demographics and public reaction. The figure that I think is way different to what it ought to be is the USA one, probably due to party-politicising both lockdown and hands/face/space.
Rearranged in order (rounded for clarity)
| Italy | 227 |
| Spain | 187 |
| USA | 179 |
| Belgium | 147 |
| Holland | 140 |
| Wales | 136 |
| NI | 132 |
| Scotland | 131 |
| England | 126 |
| France | 124 |
| Germany | 121 |
| Denmark | 94 |
| Sweden | 91 |
Johnno260
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I had been using this site for things like excess mortality.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=~GBR
They have a lot of data, I have been using it for a while.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=~GBR
They have a lot of data, I have been using it for a while.
johnblack
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02796-3/fulltext
All of 2020 and 2021
Also has a comparison for excess deaths against reported Covid deaths. The UK figures were fairly well in line, Germany may have under reported for some time. Not Russian levels of under reporting but still fairly significant.
All of 2020 and 2021
Also has a comparison for excess deaths against reported Covid deaths. The UK figures were fairly well in line, Germany may have under reported for some time. Not Russian levels of under reporting but still fairly significant.
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To do what?
Ajax Bay
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Yesterday UK’s CSA (Sir Patrick Vallance) giving 'evidence' to to S&T select c’ttee: important to look back at lockdowns and “dissect” which elements had [been most/more and less/least effective]: clear that there were “detrimental effects” from lockdown and should not be undertaken lightly in future.
Really difficult, especially with a dearth of knowledge (less as the pandemic progressed) to get the advice and decisions right.
Really difficult, especially with a dearth of knowledge (less as the pandemic progressed) to get the advice and decisions right.
Johnno260
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I have idiot relatives that deny Covid even exists, so having data to back up what I claim is a good thing.
mjr
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We really shouldn't have less knowledge as the the pandemic progresses, but testing has been progressively cut back to save a few shekels, at unknown cost. First we couldn't get a PCR to confirm a lateral flow, which means new variants aren't identifiable as soon; and now only NHS and a few others can get free tests. Otherwise, basically only the rich can test regularly at £10 for 5, which is the best I've seen so far: I saw one shop selling one lateral flow test for £7 last Friday!
Shouldn't they have kept free testing for exam-age schoolchildren if they really wanted to minimise disruption to education, instead of allowing covid to blight a third year of exams?
KnittyNorah
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Only vaguely on-topic I know, but I am thrilled to learn that it seems I've been accepted for a clinical trial of booster omicron-variant vaccine. I've been on the vaccine trial registry since it first came out but there's been nothing for which I was eligible within acceptable reach. First appointment (by phone) tomorrow and if I pass that screening, I'll be making a visit to the centre participating in the trial and if I pass that, I'll be getting a booster jab of either Spikevax or an omicron-variant version of it.
What? In classrooms?
Alex321
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