Johnno260
Veteran
- Location
- East Sussex
No one is expendable and every life is valuable.
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KnittyNorah
Über Member
- Location
- The Frozen North (of England)
The thing is - with all of us, but especially with people like that - 'very old' is a moveable point. It has a very different definition when one is 20, to the definition it has when one is 40, or 70 ...
But that also means none of us can decide - in such a flippant way - when, or if, it's acceptable for other people to die of something preventable!
Johnno260
Veteran
- Location
- East Sussex
I know a 90 year old who is more active than some 70year olds, they still cycle to the store to get the daily paper, bread and milk, age is a hard way to define as it’s got a huge breadth of people and issues.
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
Do people say 'Omicron is just a cold'? Or is that a strawman within a sealion? The case fatality rate cf Delta is way, way less (see my graphs up thread), so the threat of death from this variant (cf Delta) is NOT anywhere "nearly as much" especially in the fully vaccinated. As a community we can take that into account in the way we conduct ourselves and our interactions with others once the high case rate has plummeted. Reasonable people, if they have a bad cold say, will stay away from aged relatives/friends or others with vulnerabilities. This is no different but we'll need to get used to taking more care.
Johnno260
Veteran
- Location
- East Sussex
It may be as GBN did a piece and basically said 17k people died of Covid and that had no underlying health issues, I'm seeing that news story shared a lot today in the usual places.
I said you can't disregard a death with an underlying issue, some could be long term chronic issues that someone could live with for an extended period of time, it wouldn't include anyone with cardiovascular issues etc epilepsy as well.
It's a very dishonest way to present data, the host tried to claim this 17k were the only legitimate deaths, I was seething after seeing it.
I said you can't disregard a death with an underlying issue, some could be long term chronic issues that someone could live with for an extended period of time, it wouldn't include anyone with cardiovascular issues etc epilepsy as well.
It's a very dishonest way to present data, the host tried to claim this 17k were the only legitimate deaths, I was seething after seeing it.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
I humbly suggest that anyone interested in that would probably distinguish between deaths in people with health conditions which impact the body’s ability to fight COVID and other deaths.
For example, none of my illnesses affect my covid survival as far as I know, which is why I was vaccinated with my age group and not classed as any sort of vulnerable, but if I did die from it, some scum would dismiss my death as a coffin-dodger with multiple illnesses not worth worrying about if it means they might have to spend any effort being careful to reduce the spread the virus.
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
Anyone who is sedentary will have underlying health issues. They are not ill and at the same time not healthy. The vast majority have underlying health issues. They just don’t know it yet.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
That is almost certainly not true. There was a great illustration of why not in the second of last year's Royal Institution Christmas Lectures with the "gigantic game of lucky dip". https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0012tz5
Some will escape. It may not be many. It may not even be a good thing for them, if next winter's variant is worse and past Omicron infection offers some immunity. But probably not everyone will catch Omicron this year.
ClichéGuevara
Legendary Member
- Location
- Kingston upon the River Hull
As it now seems to have passed it's peak, and normality looks more and more likely, I wonder if there'll be a study to estimate the harm to people when they suddenly find they need something else to worry about?
But, one has to note the difference from the 1918 Flu pandemic where there was a major peak in age of death around 20/30 - including my paternal grandparents. Only over the past two years, as I have looked into this, have I realised just how many orphanages there were in Liverpool in the 1920's - my dad and his 4 sibs were each in separate orphanages and there were many more. The 1918 age profile was far more tragic than the current pandemic.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
More than enough problems still exist in the world if you like living in fear, from climate change to that classic fear of communism.
ClichéGuevara
Legendary Member
- Location
- Kingston upon the River Hull
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
I’m not sure doing a lateral flow in your garden when only wearing your underpants is socially acceptable
