- Location
- Glasgow
Well, I'm determined not to catch it
Sadly, the announcement of all restrictions being lifted by March will bring lots more deaths in the vulnerable groups, imo.
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Sadly, the announcement of all restrictions being lifted by March will bring lots more deaths in the vulnerable groups, imo.
Alex321
Guru
- Location
- South Wales
It probably ensures social distancing
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
Pat - in March there will be more deaths in vulnerable groups. The vast vast majority of people who die (daily, all causes) are from vulnerable groups: these will happen: it's a fact of err life. The issue (about deaths not NHS) is what proportion of those being from COVID-19 is acceptable to our community, and the balance of benefit v cost of maintaining/imposing 'restrictions' (nb mental, fear, other medical needs, relationships, economics, freedom etc).
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KnittyNorah
Über Member
- Location
- The Frozen North (of England)
Well, I'm determined not to catch it
Sadly, the announcement of all restrictions being lifted by March will bring lots more deaths in the vulnerable groups, imo.
I agree with you BUT as @Ajax Bay rightly says, vulnerable groups will ALWAYS have a higher 'death rate' - from just everyday living - than will the rest of the population.
That is why they're classed as 'vulnerable' - they are more vulnerable to serious illness, death, or long-term, even permanent, deleterious effects from the sort of general 'unwellness' or minor accident which most of the rest of the population is able to shrug off, albeit maybe after a few days of 'feeling rotten'.
Merely getting older places an individual into one of these vulnerable groups, even if they are in what is otherwise considered excellent health. Unless/until a universal variant vaccine is developed,available, effective, and I've had it, I'm not going to stop wearing a good N-95 mask in crowded situations for many months or years yet and I'll keep a couple of spare packs with a long expiry date for the inevitable 'bad flu/coronavirus season' even if no new variants pop up to stab us in the back in the next few months ...
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Nobody is disputing that. I think the suggestion is that the lifting of restrictions driven by non-scientific concerns will cause extra early deaths in vulnerable groups beyond that baseline level.
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
Two thirds of side effects not caused by Covid vaccine
https://www.theguardian.com/science...eactions-not-caused-by-vaccine-study-suggests
https://www.theguardian.com/science...eactions-not-caused-by-vaccine-study-suggests
KnittyNorah
Über Member
- Location
- The Frozen North (of England)
Unfortunately, I think that in certain vulnerable groups - and especially the mentally ill/those with psychiatric/psychological problems - some continuing restrictions are themselves causing, or at least contributing to, extra early deaths. Some of those extra deaths might have been considered 'inevitable/unavoidable' (not 'acceptable' as such but ...) at the height of the pandemic - but are they, now?
And how do we classify what are 'scientific' concerns? What is science? As a physicist, I tend towards having quite a narrow viewpoint about what science is ... LOL! Some people insist that economics and sociology are sciences ... and that psychology is not.
I think I'd go with saying that any lifting or slackening of restrictions driven by non-medical interests will, at least in the short term, result in extra early deaths in some vulnerable groups, but there might well be sufficient reduction in extra early deaths in other vulnerable groups so as the two balance each other out.
It's a difficult choice for anyone with any sense of responsibility, and I'm glad I'm not the one making decisions about other people's lives and health, especially for those folk who are, for whatever reason, unable to make reasoned decisions for themselves and/or unable to act to protect themselves or others as necessary.
Fat Lars
Well-Known Member
This report is very interesting and worth a read. Although I for one will not be exchanging any friendly or otherwise posts over it.
https://hatchardreport.com/relationship-between-covid-19-vaccination-and-all-cause-mortality/
Johnno260
Veteran
- Location
- East Sussex
Yet all the "affects" are issues with a higher risk from the virus.
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
A website domain registered a month ago by someone who wishes to remain anonymous and the contact is Iceland. Hmmmmmm
classic33
Leg End Member
The biggest "danger" at present, my opinion only, is that routine appointments have yet to restart. I've not seen a doctor or specialist since October 19. Blood tests have been missed, as have scans/tests that were scheduled in before all this started. One operation cancelled very early on, which had an 18 month waiting time.
At present, staff numbers available to do the above aren't available. They may have caught covid, be isolating or they have been diverted elsewhere within the system.
You know what though, I'm one of the lucky ones. I can still moan about what's gone wrong. I'm mobile under my own steam.
Others haven't been so lucky.
KnittyNorah
Über Member
- Location
- The Frozen North (of England)
And the author of the linked article, one Dr Hatchard, has a doctorate in psychology from a small private management university in the US. I don't think I'd consider him as a particular expert in anything but convincing people to believe what he says ... LOL!
vickster
Legendary Member
Is he on the previous posted list that was oh so credible?
KnittyNorah
Über Member
- Location
- The Frozen North (of England)
Yes, that is indeed an ever-present and continuing danger to many, many people. Late first diagnosis, late detection of progression and even later intervention, in all sorts of conditions.
