Coronavirus outbreak

[Deleted User]

Why won't you talk about you? Why do you claim plenty of people are going to be cautious, when you yourself "are suddenly going to throw caution to the wind and go mad"? Sorry if you feel I ask you too much, I'm fascinated by your reasoning which seems a mystery to me: you don't seem to be a "scamdemic" proponent, yet you won't voluntarily take simple minor steps to reduce the risk to your neighbours, friends and family.

And we know this forum's audience is not typical. Most of us cycle, for starters. I suspect more of the country have swallowed the shoot that the newspapers have been shovelling and are viewing 19 July as "Freedom Day" than viewing it as the "Surrender Day" it looks to me.

Why "Surrender Day"? Well, way back last March, Boris invoked full war-on-covid rhetoric with phrases like "in this fight we can be in no doubt that each and every one of us is directly enlisted. Each and every one of us is now obliged to join together to halt the spread of this disease" and "We will beat the coronavirus and we will beat it together." Thank fark he wasn't PM during WW2: he would have negotiated surrender in late 1940 as soon as the Battle of Britain / Air Battle for England was won, bored after just over a year.

I'll talk about me by all means, I have never once been concerned about catching this virus.

The main posters on this subject seem to range from frightened to death at worst to highly cautious at best, the odd couple seem to be a little more sensible.

I couldn't give a s**t about it and have worked with others throughout, gone out at every opportunity and welcome the lifting of restrictions with open arms.

As for friends and family we're all similar, Lads a Prison officer so worked throughout plus him and his girlfriend both had it already, Daughter works at a school so been mingling freely and missus is ex nurse so has a common sense approach.

I genuinely think people who have been isolated from others are far more apprehensive than people who have been working, plus what sort of person you are has a big affect in my opinion.

 

[lazybloke]

If you think about it, how many people on here are suddenly going to throw caution to the wind and 'go mad?
Not many I would wager, if society is in any way similar then plenty of people will still be very cautious.

Millions of England fans doing exactly that when watching certain football matches.

 

[mjr]

We used EOTHO several times, and at the various stages have been in numerous pubs and restaurants.

Always choosing quiet pubs at quiet times, ditto restaurants.

Please can you explain how you are choosing quiet pubs and restaurants at quiet times? There seems to be very little information on the usual booking sites, plus then there are all the places without booking services.

Does this mean you are abandoning some meals out when you find the venue is busier than expected/acceptable?

And does it mean you've eaten in some places that are unpopular because they're basically crap?

 

[Electric_Andy]

The scenes from Saturdays England game show that we aren't going to stop the spread very easily. The only thing I would say is that in places like supermarkets (where it's not a "choice" to go, but a necessity) masks should still be worn. You can choose not to go to a nightclub or football game, but you can't really choose not to go shopping

 

[Edwardoka]

The scenes from Saturdays England game show that we aren't going to stop the spread very easily. The only thing I would say is that in places like supermarkets (where it's not a "choice" to go, but a necessity) masks should still be worn. You can choose not to go to a nightclub or football game, but you can't really choose not to go shopping

Snap, I was in the process of replying to this post:

I have often wondered why it is necessary to wear a mask on the train or in the shop but not in a restaurant. It would be inconsistent to require a mask on the train but not in a crowded pub. Maybe the government wants to encourage you to spend lots of money in the pub.

The option to avoid public transport is not available for everyone. Those who are reliant on public transport should be made as safe as possible as they have no alternative.

A trip to a restaurant or the pub is entirely voluntary.

 

[Deleted User]

Millions of England fans doing exactly that when watching certain football matches.

Who post on this forum?

 

[Deleted User]

The scenes from Saturdays England game show that we aren't going to stop the spread very easily. The only thing I would say is that in places like supermarkets (where it's not a "choice" to go, but a necessity) masks should still be worn. You can choose not to go to a nightclub or football game, but you can't really choose not to go shopping

On line shopping?

 

[kingrollo]

It can be interpreted many ways, such as it points out the massive unknowns about things like long covid and it does not justify removing all restrictions, plus it is pretty quiet about the risks to the unvaccinated and unvaccinatable, and that we still don't have great treatments for people who do get it bad.

It seems a reasonable summation but I don't think it supports the so-called plan for 19 July.

Colleague of mine (50s) got covid in Jan. She has been off work since. She is still waiting for an appointment in the long covid clinic.

Long covid patients will be the big losers out of this. They will be forgotten.

 

[Deleted User]

So the big issue really is other people not wearing a mask?

All those worried, when you see a person without a mask do you think they are automatically going to infect you from across the shop or wherever even though you will have your mask on?

 

[mjr]

On line shopping?

Not available in all places, mostly just the big chains, costs extra one way or another, and is generally too unreliable in my experience.

 

[mjr]

All those worried, when you see a person without a mask do you think they are automatically going to infect you from across the shop or wherever even though you will have your mask on?

No but it's a usually-unnecessary extra risk exposure. Stop being so black and white about it.

 

[mjr]

A trip to a restaurant or the pub is entirely voluntary.

So travelling workers should be limited to eating takeaways in parks, change jobs or what?

 

[Edwardoka]

So travelling workers should be limited to eating takeaways in parks, change jobs or what?

I'm confused by what you mean by travelling workers. Do you mean people who travel on business? Or commuters? Either way, they can take whatever steps they feel necessary, if that means taking packed lunches and/or eating outside, that's entirely up to them.

What the latter group can't necessarily do is remove their reliance on public transport.

 

[Edwardoka]

So the big issue really is other people not wearing a mask?

All those worried, when you see a person without a mask do you think they are automatically going to infect you from across the shop or wherever even though you will have your mask on?

No, the big issue is that by removing all collective mitigation it drastically reduces the steps an individual can take to manage their personal risk.
Wearing a standard cloth mask does little to nothing to stop you from catching it. They stop you from transmitting it.

People who have openly said they don't care about covid and have nothing to worry about are going to behave incautiously, if not deliberately acting in a way that is contrary to any kind of sensible precaution.

The virus doesn't distinguish between cautious folks and those who don't give a toss.
With the removal of all restrictions, the only way the former get a say in the level of risk they are exposed to is self-curtailment, and the latter don't care, as they think they're impervious (right up until they catch it).

 

[lazybloke]

Who post on this forum?

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't notice you were talking just about forum members.

You know, I'm beginning to suspect the virus can infect anyone.