kingrollo
Guru
Many people taking a tiny risk. Good anology.
Personally this isn't going well. Imo.
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Many people taking a tiny risk. Good anology.
Personally this isn't going well. Imo.
Pale Rider
Legendary Member
A few games of cricket against Pakistan is hardly important in the context of the spread of a lethal virus, but this does raise an interesting question about lockdown easing.
At present, we have enough depth in our world beating one day squad to field another team.
But with Covid starting to run rampant again, isn't it almost inevitable those now set to play will also catch the virus?
Seems to me the lockdown easing measures are set for a collision course with the current rules surrounding the participation in professional team sport.
lane
Veteran
And there we have it - a leopard doesn't change its spots. Chris Whitty - "keeping covid restriction will only delay wave". "Doing it in the summer has its advantages". He has never changed has he.
Interesting he says that all adults won't have received two shots until early December. I didn't think it was going to be that long - vaccination centre here is only booked until end of next month? Also that doesn't make any sense if they are talking about giving third shots in the autumn.
The above taken from an article in the Guardian this morning.
Savid is talking about a peak of 100,000 infections a day and that seems to be what most of the scientists are hoping for, although they have limited data to go on. That's probably manageable in terms of hospitalisations although it will have a big impact on the NHS in terms of backlog etc. We are thought to have had a peak in March 2020 of 100,000 a day although it would have gone much higher if restrictions were not brought in. The new variant is more infectious but we have the vaccinations to reduce the R number so it's probably anyone's guess. Scientists talking about a gamble or calculated risk this morning. Clearly there is an assumption that if it has been got significantly wrong restrictions will be reintroduced - although I think Boris would be fairly reluctant.
Interesting he says that all adults won't have received two shots until early December. I didn't think it was going to be that long - vaccination centre here is only booked until end of next month? Also that doesn't make any sense if they are talking about giving third shots in the autumn.
The above taken from an article in the Guardian this morning.
Savid is talking about a peak of 100,000 infections a day and that seems to be what most of the scientists are hoping for, although they have limited data to go on. That's probably manageable in terms of hospitalisations although it will have a big impact on the NHS in terms of backlog etc. We are thought to have had a peak in March 2020 of 100,000 a day although it would have gone much higher if restrictions were not brought in. The new variant is more infectious but we have the vaccinations to reduce the R number so it's probably anyone's guess. Scientists talking about a gamble or calculated risk this morning. Clearly there is an assumption that if it has been got significantly wrong restrictions will be reintroduced - although I think Boris would be fairly reluctant.
1. I'm in IT, I never need step foot into an office ever again. I once made a bike ride around Arran much harder than it needed to be because I had to put a website live and be available in case something went wrong. I did the release on the ferry, and lugged a laptop around the island. So long as I had a mobile signal I could work from literally anywhere.
2. I went to the pub for dinner once during Eat Out To Help Out because the rest of my immediate family were adamant and if anyone got infected we all would have anyway. I hated it, there was so little discipline, and protocols were being ignored left, right and centre.
3. Home deliveries, for the most part. Whenever I've gone shopping I've been somewhat assured by the knowledge that there was recourse to deal with those who weren't wearing masks - a mask does little to protect the wearer, but lots to protect others from the wearer. Removing both that requirement and social distancing removes even the pretence of giving a toss.
I know that me being able to say "I won't go into enclosed public spaces again" is a privileged position - it's the people who work in public-facing positions who are getting the rug pulled from under them that I feel sorry for.
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lane
Veteran
Well the only explanation I heard was that it was so people didn't feel public transport was a risky place to be and not use it - seems they have a very low opinion of the public's intelligence much more likely to have the opposite effect.
I heard on R4 yesterday evening think it was between 60% and 70% in favor of masks still being a legal requirement.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
Or indeed the rules surrounding the participation in "going to work" more generally...
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Now, let's say this really is about personal responsibility and choices. Unless it is moved to telephone again, I will be going to hospital in Cambridge next month. I expect I will need to either ride it all or park and pedal because the gov-controlled trains will no longer be requiring masks, so I will need to eat before coming back. What cafes/restaurants will still be taking reasonable covid precautions? Will I bE effectively forced to choose between high-covid-risk and low-comfort options like eating takeaway outdoors possibly under an umbrella like during lockdown?
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Reduces the numbers willing to travel on it, which would otherwise expose the recent withdrawal of the 20 or more government-owned Networker Express AC units and some transfers of Electrostar units around London to cover the gaps exposed by that and the new Hitachis cracking up?
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- Wolverhampton
Oh lawdy lawd I don't know where I'd be without my *peers quizzically at document* office, pubs and shopping
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
It can be interpreted many ways, such as it points out the massive unknowns about things like long covid and it does not justify removing all restrictions, plus it is pretty quiet about the risks to the unvaccinated and unvaccinatable, and that we still don't have great treatments for people who do get it bad.
It seems a reasonable summation but I don't think it supports the so-called plan for 19 July.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Some places still have open air markets, too, plus bigger stores you can look at websites for estimates of quieter times to shop (not lunchtime and just after school, for example!). Otherwise, I use village stores because I can get around them quicker and there is usually fewer than 5 people in one off-peak, so my total exposure is probably less than even the checkout queue in a big box store.
Low Gear Guy
Veteran
- Location
- Surrey
I have often wondered why it is necessary to wear a mask on the train or in the shop but not in a restaurant. It would be inconsistent to require a mask on the train but not in a crowded pub. Maybe the government wants to encourage you to spend lots of money in the pub.
DCLane
Found in the Yorkshire hills ...
- Location
- Dewsbury, West Yorkshire
So ... Sajid Javid lets us know that self-isolation is gone from 16 August for anyone who's had both injections or is under 18. Just take a PCR test instead, which I'm guessing are improving in accuracy with further development over time.
Doesn't that put those who've not had the injections at risk?
Doesn't that put those who've not had the injections at risk?
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