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lane
Veteran
My opinion is that Whittey and Valance will never admit it now, but they are supporting abolishing restrictions to go for herd immunity again over summer before winter pressure on the NHS. They tried it before but the level of hospitalizations and deaths meant they had to abandon but no doubt the policy has remained close to their hearts and now they see a chance to implement it.
kingrollo
Guru
I think they want people out and about in the summer.
Forward thinking isn't Johnson s strong point. Leave the NHS to pick up the pieces in November.
I expect a another variant of convenience to be found when the cases get to high.
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DRM
Guru
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https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/03/unus...could-make-it-resistant-to-vaccines-14867725/
Here you are, there is never going to be an end to all of this
AuroraSaab
Veteran
I did wonder if they were hoping a combination of jabs and herd immunity would see us through the winter.
Honestly, I swing from relieved and optimistic to depressed all over again about it all. Not that bothered about myself, but sad for my kids, who have lost out massively, and still scared of inadvertently passing it on to older family and friends. People have suffered much worse than our family though so we will just keep plodding on and take what steps we can to minimise the risk.
Honestly, I swing from relieved and optimistic to depressed all over again about it all. Not that bothered about myself, but sad for my kids, who have lost out massively, and still scared of inadvertently passing it on to older family and friends. People have suffered much worse than our family though so we will just keep plodding on and take what steps we can to minimise the risk.
It s about the only option. We have only ever eradicated 1 virus in history - smallpox. It would be impossible to eradicate Covid so we just have to accept it as we do flu.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
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Right. Of course we do. Like we "just accept" HIV?
Or "just accept" Ebola?
"Just accept" is a meaningless soundbite.
It always strikes me as "I want this to go away so I'm going to pretend it's not here"
Right. Of course we do. Like we "just accept" HIV?
Or "just accept" Ebola?
"Just accept" is a meaningless soundbite.
It always strikes me as "I want this to go away so I'm going to pretend it's not here"
lane
Veteran
We can certainly accept it at a certain level of hospitalizations and deaths comparable to the flu although realistically the NHS would need more funding. But clearly if a variant comes along that evades immunity and threatens to overwhelm the NHS action would be unavoidable. That's why irreversible is bollocks.
Your post seems confused.
Herd immunity is the only way out of a pandemic.
The question is how to achieve herd immunity:
- Infection of a large proportion of the population
- Vaccination of a large proportion of the population
- Combination of the two
lane
Veteran
We have never reached heard immunity with Flu we get it every year because it changes. Why would Covid be any different? Presumably if Flu had a similar hospitalisation and fatality rate as Covid and had an R number as high as Covid it would have been a much bigger problem over the years but that is what we probably face going forward with Covid.
lane
Veteran
We have had Flu for many years; now we have something different called Covid. We will treat it the same as the Flu even though it is different. That is where it all went wrong in the first place but for some reason people still seem fixated on the idea, presumably because they are stupid.
Edit - the best thing to treat like the Flu - is probably the Flu.
Edit - the best thing to treat like the Flu - is probably the Flu.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
Covid mutates much more slowly than flu but is much more deadly.
Flu as an analogy is pretty unhelpful, I think.
[Edit: you beat me to it!]
kingrollo
Guru
Herd immunity imo implies people become immune by catching and recovering from the virus.
Fully vaccinated and protected is the way out of this crisis..maybe semantics but thats different to herd immunity.
classic33
Leg End Member
How do those under the age of 12(at present) manage. They'll not be vaccinated under current rules.
