- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
My money is on Carlisle or Barrow in Furness.
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midlife
Guru
South Lakeland according to the News and Star
https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/...n-variant-coronavirus-cases-cumbria-revealed/
https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/...n-variant-coronavirus-cases-cumbria-revealed/
classic33
Leg End Member
Blackburn and Darwen, last week.
They revealed that cases of the variant first detected in India have been identified in three wards - Shear Brow and Corporation Park, Billinge and Beardwood and Bastwell and Daisyfield"
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co....rwen-covid-care-vital-indian-variant-arrives/
"We have had up to 63 cases (both confirmed and ‘probable’) of Indian variants, of which many are of the Indian ‘Variant of Concern’ B1.617.2, first identified on April 21."
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co....urn-darwen-health-boss-tackle-indian-variant/
They revealed that cases of the variant first detected in India have been identified in three wards - Shear Brow and Corporation Park, Billinge and Beardwood and Bastwell and Daisyfield"
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co....rwen-covid-care-vital-indian-variant-arrives/
"We have had up to 63 cases (both confirmed and ‘probable’) of Indian variants, of which many are of the Indian ‘Variant of Concern’ B1.617.2, first identified on April 21."
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co....urn-darwen-health-boss-tackle-indian-variant/
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- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
I didn't think the Cumbria DPH had revealed the location.
Maybe I need to lock myself down now!!!
IaninSheffield
Veteran
- Location
- Sheffield, UK
Last night's Channel 4 Dispatches was quite damning, presaging some of what Cummings is likely to be spilling next week?
View: https://twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1394339515028881408?s=20
View: https://twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1394339515028881408?s=20
Eric Olthwaite
Guest
As have 80% of EU Covid deaths
And it looks like by the end of this we will have a very similar total death rate to the EU as a whole
Yes of course the government has got some things wrong but the continual claim that in overall terms it has managed things dramatically worse than other comparable (i.e. European) countries simply doesn't hold water
Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
That looked interesting until I got as far as the word "dispatches", which precludes any real balance or neutrality.
IaninSheffield
Veteran
- Location
- Sheffield, UK
I don't recall any comparison with the EU being made in the programme, but acknowledge I may have missed it. Perhaps some of the decisions made in those countries were equally poor?
The argument offered was that delayed decision making (in the UK) led to more deaths (in the UK) than should have been the case had scientific advice been followed in a timely fashion.
IaninSheffield
Veteran
- Location
- Sheffield, UK
A fair point, but I'm pretty sure the filmmakers were aiming for criticality, rather than balance or neutrality, so nothing unexpected there.
Where should we look for balanced, credible views, or a counterpoint to the claims made in programmes such as this?
Eric Olthwaite
Guest
If no European country has achieved the post-September death rate that Dispatches assumes a competent government could have achieved, that is evidence that Dispatches' assumption is invalid.
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
Here's the SAGE record of its meeting, referred to in the trailer (quick read, less than 2 pages):
https://assets.publishing.service.g...768_Fifty-eighth_SAGE_meeting_on_Covid-19.pdf
Whilst TV will make retrospective critiques like this, I hope those leading the efforts to deal with the 'here and now and future' don't get diverted by this soul-searching, except where lessons can be identified and changes made so that those lessons are 'learnt'.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...768_Fifty-eighth_SAGE_meeting_on_Covid-19.pdf
Whilst TV will make retrospective critiques like this, I hope those leading the efforts to deal with the 'here and now and future' don't get diverted by this soul-searching, except where lessons can be identified and changes made so that those lessons are 'learnt'.
DaveReading
Don't suffer fools gladly (must try harder!)
- Location
- Reading, obvs
That's certainly one of the two possible explanations.
lazybloke
Today i follow the flying spaghetti monster
- Location
- Leafy Surrey
Thanks for that link - I'd seen it reported elsewhere that SAGE had recommended an IMMEDIATE lockdown (and other measures) back in September, but hadn't previously seen it in black and white.
Didn't see the Dispatches programme, but I remember only too well the criticism of HMG last autumn when the SAGE advice was resisted (ignored?) for many weeks. When the lockdown finally came for just 4 weeks from early November, it was too little too late, and was accompanied by promises of a normal Christmas.
Boris later had to withdraw that promise, reimpose restrictions, and rely on the public to be compliant and you could say "cautious" in how they celebrated Christmas .The scale of the New Year wave shows what an absolute disaster that policy was.
Boris can rightly point to the emergence of the Kent variant as an aggravating factor, but the fact remains that SAGE advice was ignored for far too long.
Here we are months later; and again there have been promises of lockdown being relaxed, overseas travel, no masks for school children, indoor dining & drinking. Again there is a variant spreading - this not taking anyone by surprise - we already know about it ; and once again experts are saying it's too soon to relax, too soon to travel, too soon to mix indoors. Experts are also saying a 3rd wave is inevitable, and even if we had 90% of the population vaccinated with 90% efficacy, that would still be many millions vulnerable.
But we don't have 90% of the population vaccinated, we're tens of millions short of that, so it's only right to question whether Boris has chosen the appropriate balance between economic recovery and protection of public health.
So what lesson has Boris learned?
Not so long ago he is thought to have said "F**k Business". Now it seems that public health comes second behind economic recovery.
Wrong lesson learned?
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
Right to question it. Seems you have the @lazybloke answer already. Oh, and what was the lesson? Don't delay decisions? Or what? What's the plan in leafy Surrey? Make some suggestions.
The reason why the phased relaxation of restrictions is 'phased' 5 weeks apart, is to that we can have less uncertainty about the effects of each relaxation and take account of other changes eg discovering (with evidence) vaccines are even more effective than previously thought or the emergence and spread of a VoC. The Prime Minister seemed (to me) last Friday to make it clear that 21 June was still a 'not earlier than' date and that it'd be data not dates.
Latest SAGE 89 record (13 May):
"The “earlier, harder, broader” principles of responding quickly, taking strong measures, and doing so over a wider geography than where issues have been identified in response to outbreaks,remain relevant. Testing, tracing and, in particular, isolating cases remains very important.
"If vaccination reduces the likelihood of transmission for this variant, increasing regional vaccination in areas where it is prevalent could dampen growth in infections,although it takes several weeks for vaccines to provide protection. The benefits would need to be balanced against the costs of moving vaccines from elsewhere. JCVI continues to review the evidence on different vaccination strategies."
