Coronavirus outbreak

[SpokeyDokey]

Idiot skiers from various nations inc' Brits according to the report:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55888856

 

[SpokeyDokey]

And a timely holiday update from Boris:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55890224

Despite being, generally glass half full, I'm not sharing his optimism on this one - although, to be fair, he did include some caveats.

 

[Archie_tect]

Idiot skiers from various nations inc' Brits according to the report:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55888856

I'd put them all into one large prison cell for 2 weeks, at least.

 

[Oldhippy]

I value my life more than a holiday.

 

[kingrollo]

We had an excellent summer holiday in France last year. Travelled by car, socially distanced whilst there to the same extent we were here ie very much.

I don't see a good reason why the same should not be possible this year, dependent on case rates at the time, of course.

Flying, I wouldn't much fancy, and sterotypical partying holidays a very bad idea.

Its sort of risk assessment - if the vaccines do their stuff then the risk should be lower - however should people holidaying, on planes, etc - bring home a new vaccine resistant variant - then the doomsday scenario is the new variants thrive, and the vaccines stop working. I know the vaccines can be tweeked, but a what stage do you implement round 2 of a vaccine roll out ? - Ideally with low infection rates (of any variant).

 

[classic33]

David - we will be under restrictions for the rest of the year. I don't think government ministers are generally saying that the population won't be under restrictions before the end of the year. Perhaps I have not been listening/looking hard enough.
Looks like Ireland for your family holiday, then. SWMBO will thoroughly deserve it (and give her something to look forward to).

Stena are restricting travel to commercial travellers and emergency. They also require a negative test result, from you, in the 72 hours before travelling.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Its sort of risk assessment - if the vaccines do their stuff then the risk should be lower - however should people holidaying, on planes, etc - bring home a new vaccine resistant variant - then the doomsday scenario is the new variants thrive, and the vaccines stop working. I know the vaccines can be tweeked, but a what stage do you implement round 2 of a vaccine roll out ? - Ideally with low infection rates (of any variant).

I agree a lid needs to be kept on case numbers. Deaths across Europe should be very low indeed by summer. The danger is that we open up too much on the basis of deaths and lose control of cases.

Cases were controlled quite successfully across Europe last summer (UK cases were below 1000 from mid June to mid August) and this summer far more people will have some, or even near - complete immunity, from either infection or vaccination.

 

[Ajax Bay]

Stena are restricting travel

David's SWMBO (and offspring) are too busy to travel at the moment, I warrant.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I value my life more than a holiday.

Sure, so does everyone.

But as with most such discussions, it's not black and white, it's about risk.

If social distancing is observed to the extent that case numbers are controlled, what's the additional risk of being on holiday vs not being on holiday?

We had a fortnight cycling and walking last summer. I suggest to you that the additional risk from that was negligible, and may even have been negative!

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Case numbers dropping markedly:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

 

[Ajax Bay]

Always low on a Monday, isn't it?

 

[vickster]

In Sutton...
344 cases per 100,000 people in the latest week 22 Jan-28 Jan. The average area in England had 260*.
709 cases in the latest week 22 Jan-28 Jan
-374 compared with the previous week
14,430 total cases to 1 Feb
Was about 1200/100k a month ago...so definitely dropping here

My mum has her first jab booked for 10th Feb

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Always low on a Monday, isn't it?

It is.

However, the trends are firmly heading downwards. We are now in the 20 thousands (a little lower yesterday) as opposed to the 40, 50 & 60 thousands (daily cases by dates reported) earlier in January.

***

Also, patients admitted to hospital and patients in hospital are starting to fall.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

***

No time for complacency though - I wonder if this is why that these numbers were not front and centre of today's briefing.

 

[AuroraSaab]

We go to Italy and Austria mostly for holidays, and Tui are bombarding me with emails atm, offering holidays that are covid insured etc. Yesterday they asked me to do a survey - basically: 'Why aren't you booking a holiday? Is it covid? What covid issues concern you?'. It's obviously a huge issue for them atm.

Unfortunately, questions along the lines of 'What can we do to get you to book?' don't help. The tour operators can take all the safety steps they like but they can't tell Italian shops and bars if they can open, or make the cable cars run up mountains, nor can they tell the UK government what quarantine regs to impose on returning tourists. They can't make the vaccination roll out go faster in the EU either.

If Premier Inn and Travelodge are open over the summer, I'll be happy with that. I wouldn't even consider booking a foreign holiday at the moment.

 

[rockyroller]

just spoke to one of our Photogs. she had covid in December. 2 days of a high fever & headache. she made it sound inconsequential