Coronavirus outbreak

[BoldonLad]

I'm struggling to see how having the over 70s vaccinated will make schools a safer place to work.

Could it be that many Grandparents. act as. child minders, delivering children too school, collecting them from school, etc?

It would appear to be the perceived wisdom (I have no idea if it is actually true) that children may well catch Covid, but, their risk of serious harm, as a result, is small. However, that does not prevent them infecting their grandparents, who, possibly, due to age, are at significant risk of serious harm, if infected.

Just a hypothesis, I have no evidence to support it.

 

[Ajax Bay]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ndandwalesprovisional/weekending15january2021
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/coronavirus-outbreak.256913/page-1104#post-6285557
ONS Data - which is exactly the same as the CEBM data presentation I shared earlier, which @Rocky considered 'dodgy'.

'Excess deaths' are represented the area between the two lines. The 5 year average of deaths per week is a little under 10,000. The death rate in a 'normal' January is typically ~30% above that average. This January the weekly death rate is about 70% above that average. At the peak of deaths in April, the rate was 110% above that. Horrendous.

 

[Johnno260]

To me if they want schools open and to remain open, then vaccinate the teachers, it seems common sense and if it put the teachers mind at rest and allows them to teach with more normality then that's a good thing for the teachers and students.

If a school closes due to teachers being sick then parents in theory can't work, I know child care is exempt or was in some lockdown rules.

 

[Rocky]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ndandwalesprovisional/weekending15january2021
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/coronavirus-outbreak.256913/page-1104#post-6285557
ONS Data - which is exactly the same as the CEBM data presentation I shared earlier, which @Rocky considered 'dodgy'.
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'Excess deaths' are represented the area between the two lines. The 5 year average of deaths per week is a little under 10,000. The death rate in a 'normal' January is typically ~30% above that average. This January the weekly death rate is about 70% above that average. At the peak of deaths in April, the rate was 110% above that. Horrendous.

I didn’t question the data, I questioned CEBM’s interpretation of the data. And if that wasn’t clear, my bad.

 

[LCpl Boiled Egg]

To me if they want schools open and to remain open, then vaccinate the teachers, it seems common sense and if it put the teachers mind at rest and allows them to teach with more normality then that's a good thing for the teachers and students.

If a school closes due to teachers being sick then parents in theory can't work, I know child care is exempt or was in some lockdown rules.

What about the support staff? The schools won't stay open without them either.

 

[Ajax Bay]

 

[vickster]

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But the risk surely isn’t solely due to occupation, more age and ethnicity ... which might explain high rates among chefs and Govt admin?

 

[Yellow Fang]

To me if they want schools open and to remain open, then vaccinate the teachers, it seems common sense and if it put the teachers mind at rest and allows them to teach with more normality then that's a good thing for the teachers and students.

If a school closes due to teachers being sick then parents in theory can't work, I know child care is exempt or was in some lockdown rules.

Teachers aren't suffering more than other workers. There are other sectors with death rates twice as bad. They should be vaccinated before teachers.

 

[Julia9054]

But the risk surely isn’t solely due to occupation, more age and ethnicity ... which might explain high rates among chefs and Govt admin?

The biggest risk of poor outcomes from covid excluding age is deprivation which correlates with occupation

 

[vickster]

The biggest risk of poor outcomes from covid excluding age is deprivation which correlates with occupation

And ethnicity

 

[Julia9054]

Teachers aren't suffering more than other workers. There are other sectors with death rates twice as bad. They should be vaccinated before teachers.

There are two ways to look at this. Which occupations are suffering the most deaths or which sectors society needs to be open and fully working.

And ethnicity

Which also correlates with deprivation

 

[mjr]

This is not the "government message".

I read that, boggled and went for a bike ride to do a delivery so I could regain my composure.

I do not feel able to discuss the safety of schools with someone who denies that "schools are safe" has been a government message for something like six months.

 

[BoldonLad]

The biggest risk of poor outcomes from covid excluding age is deprivation which correlates with occupation

Is that so, I thought general health, including obesity was the biggest factor after age ?

 

[Julia9054]

Is that so, I thought general health, including obesity was the biggest factor after age ?

True but many of the health conditions that put someone at higher risk are more common in deprived populations and are less well controlled/managed in deprived populations

 

[PK99]

To me if they want schools open and to remain open, then vaccinate the teachers, it seems common sense and if it put the teachers mind at rest and allows them to teach with more normality then that's a good thing for the teachers and students.

If a school closes due to teachers being sick then parents in theory can't work, I know child care is exempt or was in some lockdown rules.

The state school workforce is 945,805 Full Time Equivalent
718,980 Teachers plus Teaching assistants
226,825 Admin/Auxilliary/Technicians/other support staff (eg, office, dinner folk, lab techs, playground supervisors etc)

Note, these are Full-Time Equivalent numbers not the number of individuals.
25% of teachers work part-time and a large proportion of the other jobs are part-time by their nature

How many individuals?
I can't get a real handle on that number - but clearly well in excess of 1 Million individuals to prioritize in the Vaccine schedule.

Which 1 Million plus people should be bumped down the priority list to make space for teachers?
(I know everyone gets bumped down, but if it were done now it would be 75/80-year-olds being delayed first)

https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/school-workforce-in-england