Coronavirus outbreak

[tom73]

Government have now even wheeled out old Dido to play the blame game.
Note .... Nothing to do with lack of government help or support.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-...0eb32254a69202e80ddb7f&pinned_post_type=share

 

[Cirrus]

An item from BBC looking at the death rates and basically saying that teachers are "not at higher risk than others", what did surprise me was the disparity between men and women, two thirds of the deaths are men, according to the article, the base source is the ONS:
Covid: Teachers 'not at higher risk' of death than average - BBC News

 

[Ajax Bay]

An item from BBC looking at the death rates and basically saying that teachers are "not at higher risk than others", what did surprise me was the disparity between men and women, two thirds of the deaths are men, according to the article, the base source is the ONS:
Covid: Teachers 'not at higher risk' of death than average - BBC News

In 2020 in England and Wales, ONS record 84,449 deaths (date of death in 2020, with COVID-19 on the death certificate).
Of those 45% were female and 55% were male.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...nalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales
Edit: deleted
"The 2019 headcount of male teachers in all state-funded schools was 121,356 which was 24.2% of all teachers."
"Among teachers, there were 18 deaths per 100,000 among men and 10 per 100,000 among women." No doubt true, but that's not the same as " [in] teachers . . . two thirds of the deaths are men" (because less than 1/4 of teachers are male).
Lies, damn lies and statistics.
Perhaps this would support the argument that male teachers should be vaccinated ahead of female teachers (of the same age and excluding other vulnerabilities). I can't see that going down well with a variety of stakeholders whatever its statistical merit.

 

[mjr]

I think the NHS may have turned with this ad campaign:

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/Trump_ton/status/1352980053072732161

 

[tom73]

The latest figure(known) of health care workers that have now died since this all started.
Is now the shocking number of 883 yet even now they are still fighting for the right PPE.
At the same time DCMO has been volunteering going vaccinations wearing higher grade mask.
Which PHE say is not required if we can afford "eat out to help covid out" then the can pay for this.
Can't we ? Oh forgot they are hero's and hero's die don't they.

 

[kingrollo]

I think the NHS may have turned with this ad campaign:

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/Trump_ton/status/1352980053072732161

Tick tick tick..........

 

[nickyboy]

Interesting that Quarantine Hotels are now on the agenda. There isn't much point of them whilst UK has higher local transmission rates than countries people are arriving from. Suspect the science driving this (assuming it's not a politically based policy) is;

New variants popping up in the future elsewhere

UK finally getting on top of its cases via the accelerated vaccination program and running through the summer with lower transmission levels than countries people will travel from

 

[MrGrumpy]

If...... only they had done this last year . We might have been in somewhat better shape ?

 

[mjr]

Interesting that Quarantine Hotels [...] UK finally getting on top of its cases via the accelerated vaccination program and running through the summer with lower transmission levels than countries people will travel from

We've a long way to go before we are on top of cases and we're already seeing the madder Tories using the vaccination speed success to push for an unlocking which would kick the "virus growth" R back over 100% again, almost certainly undoing any effect of Quarantine-on-entry.

I guess it is interesting that they're being considered now, after a year of people saying we're not a faraway island like Aus/NZ and it couldn't possibly be done. Have the weekend's pictures of sardine-like queues in the immigration hall at Heathrow finally moved ministers to act?

 

[MrGrumpy]

I guess it is interesting that they're being considered now, after a year of people saying we're not a faraway island like Aus/NZ and it couldn't possibly be done. Have the weekend's pictures of sardine-like queues in the immigration hall at Heathrow finally moved ministers to act?

seems like it to me !!

 

[tom73]

Getting on top of cases that's a laugh we are no way near it. It's miles off the rate it needs to be covid has changed the game put we are still playing by the same rules and still we are peeing in the wind. They still are failing to grasp just what brown stuff we are in. Just who is in charge of this and who's even got a clue about a plan ? The consent no mans land of the mythical wealth over health is still winning it's not worked it never will. The vaccine is not silver bullet and no long ranger is waiting the wings until ones at the top wake up and do this right we will still be mindlessly left adrift.

 

[tom73]

seems like it to me !!

Unlike them if it's anything like other measures we have in place it's not full of holes.

 

[nickyboy]

We've a long way to go before we are on top of cases and we're already seeing the madder Tories using the vaccination speed success to push for an unlocking which would kick the "virus growth" R back over 100% again, almost certainly undoing any effect of Quarantine-on-entry.

I guess it is interesting that they're being considered now, after a year of people saying we're not a faraway island like Aus/NZ and it couldn't possibly be done. Have the weekend's pictures of sardine-like queues in the immigration hall at Heathrow finally moved ministers to act?

Well something has prompted them to act. In reality, those immigration queues have always been there. There is no more inbound air traffic now than, say, a couple of months ago. I still suspect it is move precipitated by the popping up of other variants that we don't know the transmissabiltymortality rates of. And I think it's getting the ducks in a row in the event that UK can force its transmission numbers down to lower levels than the countries that people are flying from.

By the way, who are these "people" who said for a year it couldn't possibly be done?

 

[mjr]

Well something has prompted them to act. In reality, those immigration queues have always been there. There is no more inbound air traffic now than, say, a couple of months ago. I still suspect it is move precipitated by the popping up of other variants that we don't know the transmissabiltymortality rates of. And I think it's getting the ducks in a row in the event that UK can force its transmission numbers down to lower levels than the countries that people are flying from.

Sure, I agree it may be images on TV rather than reality which have moved gov.uk to act now.

I don't think it's only due to other variants popping up because that's been known for many weeks now.

By the way, who are these "people" who said for a year it couldn't possibly be done?

As well as the obvious politicians, you could find them on most forums:

[...] Closing borders for countries with road freight access (and economies fundamentally dependent on it) is impossible. [...]

 

[Ajax Bay]

Getting on top of cases that's a laugh we are no way near it. It's miles off the rate it needs to be covid has changed the game put we are still playing by the same rules and still we are peeing in the wind.

Afternoon, Tom
What 'rate' (give us a figure: eg 6,700 cases a day? - one in ten thousand of the population (0.1%)) do you think the daily rate 'needs to be' (below) before we might say that the UK was 'on top of cases'? I suggest that as well as a simple rate you'd want the rate to be declining as well.
Here's an ONS graph (May to mid Jan) of:

Four points: May to August is 'summer'. We now have the B.1.1.7 variant to contend with. By 15 Feb + 14 days vaccination (first dose 89% efficacy) protects 88% (ie the oldies and the CeV) of those who would otherwise be hospitalised. 28+M will be vaccinated by Easter (we hope).
As @kingrollo didn't say: "Tick, tock, tick".