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over 4,000 Americans died from covid yesterday
 
Did I? At the time, yes. The figures, as seen in the graph above, did not support the change of tier.

What people got up to during Santa's superspreader events, including Harrods crowds not observing social distancing, was totally indefensible. I was also in favour of a ''circuit breaker'' at half-term because it could have pushed the infection rate back down to September levels.

I think it should be called the worse case scenario virus. Because everything you think won't happen....ends up happening.

1300 dead today + 68k new cases .....and everybody said how much more prepared we were for the 2nd wave.
 

mjr

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Do you think arguing against restrictions was a good idea?
He was arguing for good behaviour to make restrictions unnecessary: "It is really important people follow the rules," Mr Khan told Sky News. "What none of us want to do is undo all the progress made over the last few months. What we can't afford to happen... is people who are shopping not following the rules leading to an increase in this virus spreading."

I note the Independent cut the bit which made clear he was arguing for more financial and practical support, not against necessary restrictions and instead only put "Mr Khan has also urged the government to offer more financial support"

At least you gave the link so less biased readers can see this for themselves.
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
I think it should be called the worse case scenario virus. Because everything you think won't happen....ends up happening

I think it should be called the absolutely ****ing predictable virus.

Because it's been predictable, and predicted where we would end up without action, and that's exactly where we are.

Nothing worst case about it.
 
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I think it should be called the absolutely ****ing predictable virus.

Because it's been predictable, and predicted where we would end up without action, and that's exactly where we are.

Nothing worst case about it.
True.

But there are articles on the news - forewarning of imminent doom - which never come to much .....this one seems the opposite.

I'm a glass half empty, and I will fall on it and slit my throat man.......even I didn't think it would get this bad.
 
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Joey Shabadoo

My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
He was arguing for good behaviour to make restrictions unnecessary: "It is really important people follow the rules," Mr Khan told Sky News. "What none of us want to do is undo all the progress made over the last few months. What we can't afford to happen... is people who are shopping not following the rules leading to an increase in this virus spreading."

I note the Independent cut the bit which made clear he was arguing for more financial and practical support, not against necessary restrictions and instead only put "Mr Khan has also urged the government to offer more financial support"

At least you gave the link so less biased readers can see this for themselves.
I'm not biased - everyone else is ^_^
 

deptfordmarmoset

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I disagree in that it was clear what was going to happen - indeed was already happening as the Harrods pictures were showing. People were going to go nuts with Christmas shopping and there were going to be big groups of people mingling over the period. It's like looking at a big pile of twigs and paper saying "there is no fire" then throwing a lit match in. London with it's massive public transport network was always going to be high risk. Khan was arguing in favour of businesses making money rather than considering public health. For him to be wailing and complaining at the inevitable results of what he wanted is a bit rich.

I'm pretty sure if the government said "black", Khan would be on the radio shouting "white" within minutes.
I hadn't anticipated the Kent mutation back then and I'd be surprised if you had.

Also, the move to Tier 3 would not have shut Harrods down so would have made little if any difference.

The losers in the change from 2 to 3 are principally the hospitality sector, who had had little to do with any explosion in the infection rate because of precautions already taken. (As far as I know. Happy to be corrected though if there has been news that I missed.)

The real match lighter was the government keeping the prospect of an as-normal-as-possible Christmas and promising some kind of bubble-relaxation mode. Together with the blind insistence on keeping schools open after there was growing evidence of the mutation's spread amongst schoolchildren.

On the specifically London issues, the use of public transport has been very low here since mid March. South Wales, with no Harrods and a poorer public transport system, has managed to get to current London level rates of infection before London itself.

If you want to attack Khan, do it on other questions. The Silvertown tunnel would be a very good place to start.
 

Joey Shabadoo

My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
Doesn't take away from the fact that as shoppers packed the streets, Khan was arguing against restrictions which could have helped avoid the emergency situation they're in now.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Doesn't take away from the fact that as shoppers packed the streets, Khan was arguing against restrictions which could have helped avoid the emergency situation they're in now.
Kahn was arguing against people behaving in ways like that pictured which would cause the restrictions!

I'm sure there are probably plenty of things you could attack Kahn over (and the Silvertown tunnel is indeed dodgy) but he has been a long way ahead of Boris on Covid response.
 

deptfordmarmoset

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Doesn't take away from the fact that as shoppers packed the streets, Khan was arguing against restrictions which could have helped avoid the emergency situation they're in now.
I thought I'd addressed that part. Moving to Tier 3 would not have shut Harrods. The shoppers would still have packed the streets and they couldn't even go to a pub to wait till the crowds died down. And the current emergency, insofar as hospitals are at snapping point, was fed by other factors. I mentioned what I consider to be three major vectors of spreading infection, and two of them were government policy, the other being B.1.1.1.7. It's not an exhaustive list but it's a start.
 

mjr

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But there are articles on the news - forewarning of imminent doom - which never come to much .....this one seems the opposite.

I'm a glass half empty, and I will fall on it and slit my throat man.......even I didn't think it would get this bad.
A new record death toll exactly two weeks after the "Happy Covid Christmas Day"? Yeah, it was completely impossible to see this one coming(!)

Thing is, a lot of the doom prediction stories provoke action and so the worst is avoided, but Boris clung on to this brain fart long after it was obviously a bad idea, well after other Heads of Government had cancelled or refused similar relaxations.
 
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DaveReading

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A new record death toll exactly two weeks after the "Happy Covid Christmas Day"? Yeah, it was completely impossible to see this one coming(!)

Thing is, a lot of the doom prediction stories provoke action and so the worst is avoided, but Boris clung on to this brain fart long after it was obviously a bad idea, well after other Heads of Government had cancelled or refused similar relaxations.

It's a little early for the Christmas Day effect yet, based on the quoted mean of around 18 days between the onset of symptoms (a few days after exposure) and subsequent death.

But it won't come as a surprise to anyone when the death toll continues to rise in the weeks ahead.
 
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mjr

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It's a little early for the Christmas Day effect yet, based on the quoted mean of around 18 days between the onset of symptoms (a few days after exposure) and subsequent death.

But it won't come as a surprise to anyone when the death toll continues to rise in the weeks ahead.
Remember that is the mean. This is the start. :sad:
 
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