Coronavirus outbreak

[SpokeyDokey]

Football clubs, they get a lot of stick but they do do a lot of good work behind the scenes:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...oman-abramovich-nhs-covid-hotel-b1783870.html

 

[Illaveago]

The government is finally thinking of checking airline passengers for the virus on arrival. Isn't it a bit late when they could have infected all of the other passengers ? Surely they should have been prevented from getting on board ?

 

[midlife]

In theory everybody on board the plane should go into strict isolation. Anybody with an infection would then be negative after isolation. This requires a very strict policy of isolation which never happened. Also they will now accept lateral flow tests which miss about 50% of positive cases.

Isolation still applies for all passengers but can be released early if a second test here is negative.

 

[Illaveago]

In theory everybody on board the plane should go into strict isolation. Anybody with an infection would then be negative after isolation. This requires a very strict policy of isolation which never happened. Also they will now accept lateral flow tests which miss about 50% of positive cases.

Isolation still applies for all passengers but can be released early if a second test here is negative.

I think they reckon that only 5% isolate.

 

[DCLane]

I think they reckon that only 5% isolate.

That's been the problem since March: when told to do so very few actually isolate for the full, or even part of, the time period. As such any test-and-trace system becomes worthless. In other countries they've been more compliant, possibly due to harsher penalties.

I do wonder whether the term 'self-isolate' brings meaning that it's a personal choice whether to do so or not, with no compulsion or penalty, has caused more problems than solutions.

 

[Electric_Andy]

Two women fined for driving 5 miles to walk (BBC link).

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Two women fined for driving 5 miles to walk (BBC link).

Derbyshire police behaved like idiots last time and continue to do so.

They obviously have too many officers.

 

[DCLane]

To me that seems completely daft. And a coffee isn't a 'picnic'!

 

[roubaixtuesday]

To me that seems completely daft. And a coffee isn't a 'picnic'!

They were using drones to harass dog walkers last time. Drunk on power IMO, and oblivious to any rational prioritisation of risk.

 

[vickster]

They obviously have too many officers.

Maybe they need to redeploy some to Accrington and its environs where clearly local plod don’t understand the rules...

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Sadiq Khan 7th December -

Sadiq Khan has warned that Tier 3 would be "catastrophic" for London amid fears the capital could be placed under tougher coronavirus restrictions next week.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-london-restrictions-sadiq-khan-b1767632.html

One month later

The spread of Covid in London is "out of control" according to Sadiq Khan, who has declared a "major incident".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55588163

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Sadiq Khan 7th December - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-london-restrictions-sadiq-khan-b1767632.html

One month later
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55588163

Local number of active cases (Lewisham, Zoe app).
7th December: 1360
7th January: 7676

A lot can happen in a month....

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Local number of active cases (Lewisham, Zoe app).
7th December: 1360
7th January: 7676
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A lot can happen in a month....

Do you think arguing against restrictions was a good idea?

Mr Khan added: "If London was to go into Tier 3 it would be catastrophic to those industries already really crippled under the Covid pandemic, that could mean many shops going bust, many bars, pubs and restaurants going bust.

Harrods - 6th December

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Do you think arguing against restrictions was a good idea?

Did I? At the time, yes. The figures, as seen in the graph above, did not support the change of tier.

What people got up to during Santa's superspreader events, including Harrods crowds not observing social distancing, was totally indefensible. I was also in favour of a ''circuit breaker'' at half-term because it could have pushed the infection rate back down to September levels.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Did I? At the time, yes. The figures, as seen in the graph above, did not support the change of tier.

What people got up to during Santa's superspreader events, including Harrods crowds not observing social distancing, was totally indefensible. I was also in favour of a ''circuit breaker'' at half-term because it could have pushed the infection rate back down to September levels.

I disagree in that it was clear what was going to happen - indeed was already happening as the Harrods pictures were showing. People were going to go nuts with Christmas shopping and there were going to be big groups of people mingling over the period. It's like looking at a big pile of twigs and paper saying "there is no fire" then throwing a lit match in. London with it's massive public transport network was always going to be high risk. Khan was arguing in favour of businesses making money rather than considering public health. For him to be wailing and complaining at the inevitable results of what he wanted is a bit rich.

I'm pretty sure if the government said "black", Khan would be on the radio shouting "white" within minutes.