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FishFright
More wheels than sense
The numbers where I live are really bad with one area that was 400+ per 100k for a while but it's slowly dropping now.
That was going to happen anyway.
Do any of the vaccines stop transmission in any meaningful way? If yes, then yes some restrictions may come off Feb/March/April/May. If it doesn't stop transmission and there are vaccine supply problems and the 'new' strain takes hold in population centres outside the bottom right then there may no be no 'lockdown' in late spring/summer, but people might be in a surprisingly high tier. Whether anyone calls that lockdown who knows.
Current capacity extrapolating from the last few days is 2 million vaccinations a month. No one's had the second jab yet... Matt Hancock has promised more. If the oxford vaccine got used it's theoretically possible to double that based roughly on issues around giving flu jabs which are easier even with fridge storage. Beyond that it's hard to see what with needing 2 doses on most vaccines.
Paper published on the new strain https://virological.org/t/prelimina...defined-by-a-novel-set-of-spike-mutations/563
I expect other stuff will follow shortly.
I expect other stuff will follow shortly.
Maybe that’s true but mass school closure only serves to make the situation even worse for many. I know of a fair few people who ended up with no job because they had to be at home for children. I don’t think either option is good but then as I say it’s a no win situation for anyone or the government
nickyboy
Norven Mankey
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- You want hills? We got hills
As an example a friend has a son working in London. Son planning to come home later this week for Xmas. Tier 4 announced so he got on the next train north last night. Everyone masked up on the train but he will get a test before Xmas day when relatives come for lunch. Not sure what more he could do other than staying in London on his own over Xmas. If I were him I would have done exactly the same
Pale Rider
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An acquaintance of mine was among the first to get the vaccine in Sunderland last week.
His booster is on January 6.
From what I can gather, the roll out is progressing fairly smoothly, although some people in Sunderland have been asked to travel to Seaham to be vaccinated.
That's only six miles, but it's a bit of a hike if you are elderly, already unwell, and don't drive.
Wobblers
Euthermic
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- Minkowski Space
This "new" strain won't stay put and "tier 4 just don't mention lockdown" is likely to be coming down the line for good few of us. They just need to look at the "mass evacuation" last night to see it's good.
Hancock just keeps ducking the question I really believe he has no clue just what a massive job this is. Or if he's even looking at the data that's freely available. To just what's at stake if things carry on without real effective interventions before crap starts to happen. Yes this virus is new but knowing what basic interventions work for infectious disease are not. Throwing round rapid flow tests as some magic way out of this is just the next on a long list of distractions.
It's massively difficult, but it's only 400 sites doing it, up from 100. Pfizer said themselves that after 12 days of the first jab there is some level of protection.
The roll out the first couple of days had tiny numbers, it's believed that on day 1 5000 people were vaccinated and on day 2 a bit shy of 10,000. The government aren't saying explicitly yet, but it looks like it's 60,000-75,000 a day at the moment. Governments being governments they didn't want to say this explicitly just incase an innumerate journalist started criticising/think the population are too stupid to know.
The good news on the higher rate of giving them out isn't really that though. Tranche 1 was 375,000. The higher rate the last few days means that secretly shipments 2/3? have come into the country. There's been a lot of confusion in the media because it's believed we'll run out of the pfizer vaccine sometime in January and the government haven't explicitly said how many a day are getting vaccinated or that more has arrived. To me it seems plausible that the the true explanation is what BioNTech said that by the end of the year the UK would get 4-6 million vaccines, that's 2-3 million people. The extrapolated vaccination rate for that runs about January, so it makes sense.
There were the first vaccinations in Derbyshire last week, which is not very far away and puzzled a lot of people as a Derbyshire hospital was prominently on the list 50 places to get it. Started though.
Of course that changes completely if the Oxford vaccine gets emergency licencing, but it's nice to be cautious and try and deal with definites or things that you're pretty sure are going to happen.
Johnno260
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- East Sussex
A big thing I still feel is people not sticking to the rules and social distancing etc, when using supermarkets people don’t stay apart people aren’t wearing masks.
I have now 2-3 relatives I have had massive arguments with as they refuse to acknowledge the virus even exists and carry on as normal, which I find a total slap in the face to every death and family dealing with a lose, to the key workers keeping things running and the NHS staff on the front lines.
One relative I can’t see I will ever repair the burnt bridges with after, they said my wife’s just a paid actress who parrots what she is told to say.
social media has a lot to answer for, and it gives a platform to people with twisted opinions.
I have now 2-3 relatives I have had massive arguments with as they refuse to acknowledge the virus even exists and carry on as normal, which I find a total slap in the face to every death and family dealing with a lose, to the key workers keeping things running and the NHS staff on the front lines.
One relative I can’t see I will ever repair the burnt bridges with after, they said my wife’s just a paid actress who parrots what she is told to say.
social media has a lot to answer for, and it gives a platform to people with twisted opinions.
I didn't post to not upset another poster.
The bordering areas for tier 4/2 are simply a complete nonsense. We all had people staring at a map of kent that was mostly red and people ringing up talk in shows shouting it isn't in my bit of kent (because they can't read a map/deliberately filtering out what they don't want to hear). This has happened with sussex and surrey.
The map what it looks like today (left) and what it should look like today in my opinion and will do very soon (this is on the conservative side sadly and really probably be more tier 3 and tier 4 on there than what I've marked up). Interestingly enough both sky and the guardian have made mistakes on their maps before they went out. Many, many, many of the areas I've painted in tier 3 deeper red are you guessed it, tory voting areas.
Joey Shabadoo
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What does that have to do with it ?
Come on, there's no need to be obtuse. What do you think it has to do with it? Tory MPs going on talk shows, appearing on tv going on about how cases are really 'low' in their area and they don't agree with the tiered system would really like to stay in tier 1/2 if there's a tiered system at all.
