Coronavirus outbreak

[oldwheels]

If you live on your own (you do ), you're allowed to bubble with another household, which means you can have a friend around, or similar. But it must always be the same person. The friend can't bubble with anyone else, the friends' potential housemates cannot bubble with anyone else. This has tended to mean that a lot of bubbles cannot form.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/making-a-support-bubble-with-another-household

There's also Christmas support bubble, but that's only now relevant to the population of England minus those that might bubble up with someone in tier 4 households, and it's only relevant for Christmas Day.

Bubble in Scotland often means weep, particularly applicable for children.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Greenwich Council leader response to govt behaviour this week.

@Tripster this is why people are so critical.

1. Deny there's a problem even when it's obvious.

2. Act to directly exacerbate the situation. Criticise those pointing out the contradictions in strong terms.

3. U turn late, resulting in more restrictions, cases, deaths and economic damage.


View: https://mobile.twitter.com/DanLThorpe/status/1340592131312918529

 

[Accy cyclist]

I've been reading comments in the papers,on social media etc from some residents of Cornwall and Devon. They are fearing that many of those who left London to flee this 'tier 4' are heading to or have headed to their part of the country,especially Cornwall as it's in 'tier 1'. Many posts saying their hospitals could be overwhelmed by virus cases from London.

 

[marinyork]

I've been reading comments in the papers,on social media etc from some residents of Cornwall and Devon. They are fearing that many of those who left London to flee this 'tier 4' are heading to or have headed to their part of the country,especially Cornwall as it's in 'tier 1'. Many posts saying their hospitals could be overwhelmed by virus cases from London.

New strains aside, sadly in parts of Devon, contrary to popular myth the virus is at higher levels than locals will admit. In West Devon (which borders cornwall) the 7 day average was 115 cases per 100,000 on 14th December dataset and East Devon which borders Somerset and Dorset, it's 150 per 100,000.

This sort of denial is going on in bits of Norfolk, cambridgeshire, sussex, surrey and all over the place. People tend to quote old figures when it suits them or hyper local ones. Chunks of the south west outside avon/bristol area should be in tier 3. They won't be until it gets really bad to keep the frigging tory MPs happy.

I do worry about places outside of the bottom right, as this exodus will make things even worse, but it's already bad and about to get worse.

 

[marinyork]

And yes, you guessed it, as Cornwall is now bordering areas with high cases, Cornwall should probably be in tier 2 (cue tons of moaning).

 

[marinyork]

No, they make decisions earlier. We have a dither, delay and deny cycle here. If we had reduced the dithering and delaying, and got to the deny stage earlier, fewer of us would have been out increasing infection risk. And sooner or later, the government is going to have to do a U-turn on keeping schools open because that's driving up infection. But, having elevated schooling as a guiding principle and holding to it wrong-headedly - a bit like this year's Exmas - the government is keeping us in another fatal dither and delay stage.

This nervtag stuff, whenever it's published and 2-3 week's time when more evidence comes to light, I think the government will once and for all have to decouple primary schools from secondary schools and colleges.

Even with mass testing, things need looking at again and very hard choices on secondary schools for the spring term.

 

[Tripster]

No, they make decisions earlier. We have a dither, delay and deny cycle here. If we had reduced the dithering and delaying, and got to the deny stage earlier, fewer of us would have been out increasing infection risk. And sooner or later, the government is going to have to do a U-turn on keeping schools open because that's driving up infection. But, having elevated schooling as a guiding principle and holding to it wrong-headedly - a bit like this year's Exmas - the government is keeping us in another fatal dither and delay stage.

And the rest of the world has not dithered in anyway at all because this is unprecedented for anyone ? Trying to home school kids and keep a job is not that easy when you are a key worker and cannot work from home, it was a bloody difficult time for us parents

 

[vickster]

What's this 'support bubble' for those living alone and feeling isolated and lonely,the idiot Johnson talks about? Is it some kind of official thing we can contact,or does it just mean we are allowed a friend round or similar? 🤔

Yes you can join up with one other household in same tier preferably. It was announced months ago ...
So if you’re lonely you could form a bubble with another non bubbled household

 

[kingrollo]

What gets me is that yes,maybe they were planning to leave,but by imposing such a strict lockdown the numbers leaving were probably multiplied many times. I thought we had a policy of no leaving and no entering strict lockdown areas? Here in Lancashire we have police stop points on the Lancs/North Yorkshire borders asking where you are going etc etc.🤔

We don't know the make up of last night's leavers. My guess it was people intending to leave between yesterday and Christmas Eve - left last night.
Some guy talking about it on the news - said it wasn't as busy as a London rush hour - and footfall was heavier on Thursday and Friday.

 

[kingrollo]

Looks like a total change of strategy. Lockdown s may stay until the vaccine rollout is well underway.

 

[Adam4868]

We don't know the make up of last night's leavers. My guess it was people intending to leave between yesterday and Christmas Eve - left last night.
Some guy talking about it on the news - said it wasn't as busy as a London rush hour - and footfall was heavier on Thursday and Friday.

Tier 4 and supporting Arsenal...I almost feel for our southern friends.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

And the rest of the world has not dithered in anyway at all because this is unprecedented for anyone ? Trying to home school kids and keep a job is not that easy when you are a key worker and cannot work from home, it was a bloody difficult time for us parents

Schools were meant to be kept open for children of key workers. Damage limitation.

 

[tom73]

What I going to say is in no way aimed at pepole who now find they will be spending Christmas alone. Many of whom have spent much of the year in the same situation. Doing all they can to stay safe I do not underestimate the effects of loneliness and the harm it brings. Or for ones who won't see next Christmas this last minute change is horrible and will feel totally unfair.

Niether do I have a problem with the ones who have always planned to do the right thing not just protect loves ones but others who you will never meet. Even if it means not seeing family or having to find other ways to enjoy the day in a safe way.

I really can't be going with one the likes of the ones plastered all over the media complaining that this years "middle class dickens Christmas" can't happen. They will still get to meet others and have a good time just not on the 25th. Then coming out with I understand but..... sorry but that won't wash either. Grow up and plan for more happier times. They need to think almost 70,000 families will never get that chance. Many never got to say goodbye or have a lasting image of them being wheeled into ambulance never to return.

As for the political clowns of all colours coming out with we never spotted this coming or it makes be want to cry and all the other crap. Christmas was going to be a car crash long before this point and it's been clear change had to happen. It's your failings that have lead to this and the ever growing long list of failings. Putting the economy first at all cost comes with a very expensive human price tag.

So sorry for this but seeing the effect this is having on your wife since this whole mess started it get's to you sometimes. Only in the last week due to low hospital beds she's had to watch 5 of her patients become critical before the hospital will touch them. Knowing it not going to end well coming home and crying as she thinks she's failed.

 

[Tripster]

Schools were meant to be kept open for children of key workers. Damage limitation.

Limited spaces and we didn’t get one so with me away and wife a key worker we relied on a furloughed grandparent which won’t happen again next time so one of us will be on unpaid leave if we don’t get a space. Not as simple as what you think.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Limited spaces and we didn’t get one so with me away and wife a key worker we relied on a furloughed grandparent which won’t happen again next time so one of us will be on unpaid leave if we don’t get a space. Not as simple as what you think.

I sympathise with your situation but keeping the schools open after the Christmas break will do nothing to prevent a bad situation deteriorating, IMO.