This virus is causing the same problems all over the world and no government is making all the right choices. Labour bitch about Boris handling of it in the hope it scores points and wins them votes. They don’t give a toss how many die so long as they gain power and same goes for Boris. No party would have handled it better, made it better as the world has shown. The only people who are selfish are the highly educated politicians regardless of who runs the country. Come Christmas Day and Boxing Day and New Year’s Eve/day the country will do as it pleases regardless of the rules.
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Point 3.. how many in the country, businesses etc demanded the easing of restrictions otherwise they would go out of business ? Most of the world eased restrictions and still ended up back in Lockdown, Germany, Italy, France... so all doing it wrong then. Not just UK Government. Or is it just a case of what ever anyone does it will be wrong
kingrollo
Guru
All those earning the minimum wage say hi
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
Most of those places had significantly fewer cars when they exited lockdown.
Wave 2, we've been merely average for Europe rather than standout worst.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavi...othing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc
What we did, of course, yet again, was see cases rising across the rest of Europe yet either ignore it, or worse still, exacerbate it.
Remember the "Stop skiving, Save Pret, Catch Covid" campaign?
kingrollo
Guru
Well Australia have shut down a whole city based on 38 cases - let's see how that goes. (Hard and Early has worked well for them so far)
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
This is clearly incorrect. We have nearly the very worst death toll, *and* the very worst economic impact in the entire developed world.
Practically the whole world has handled it better.
1 country versus how many ? Rest of Europe did similar to UK and back in Lockdowns. If it’s lockdown over Christmas we moan, if it’s eased we moan. It’s a virus that’s spreading and evolving. Trial and error but whatever the UK does the country will find fault and Whine on about it.
Does that mean feel guilty for earning a decent living ?
kingrollo
Guru
No. Just some people benefited from a policy - and would be less well off if it hadn't been.
kingrollo
Guru
That's true of course. With a population of 60m - you will always displease some people.
I actually think until yesterday we were taking a different route to most of Europe.
Joey Shabadoo
My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
What is utterly insane is ploughing on wth Brexit in the middle of a global pandemic.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
You keep on saying this and it remains untrue.
First wave we did much worse than the rest of Europe.
Second wave is more comparable.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavi...othing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc
Hopkins went on tv this morning with other scientists.
Looks like the full initial findings were only presented to NERVTAG on Friday morning.
Basics of what was said was the 'new' strain that has become so prevalent in large parts of the bottom right corner was sequenced in October, that end of November concerns were there about the 'new' strain becoming more transmissible being a plausible explanation, but lacked evidence. The problem gathering evidence was three-fold, that the lab tests take weeks on things they want to know, that the genomic studies lag around 3 weeks behind actuality and the data they derive is because one gene in the 'new' mutation can be ripped out of other reliable datasets. Apparently the nervtag evidence is pretty damn grim but believed to be reliable and is waiting to be confirmed the next 2-3 weeks.
It would explain why Wales/Scotland went on the tele immediately after Boris and immediately imposed all manner of restrictions to be cautious.
Matt Hancock was asked about tier 4 and more areas until a good unquantified number of people have been vaccinated, he merely said it would be 'very difficult'.
Looks like the full initial findings were only presented to NERVTAG on Friday morning.
Basics of what was said was the 'new' strain that has become so prevalent in large parts of the bottom right corner was sequenced in October, that end of November concerns were there about the 'new' strain becoming more transmissible being a plausible explanation, but lacked evidence. The problem gathering evidence was three-fold, that the lab tests take weeks on things they want to know, that the genomic studies lag around 3 weeks behind actuality and the data they derive is because one gene in the 'new' mutation can be ripped out of other reliable datasets. Apparently the nervtag evidence is pretty damn grim but believed to be reliable and is waiting to be confirmed the next 2-3 weeks.
It would explain why Wales/Scotland went on the tele immediately after Boris and immediately imposed all manner of restrictions to be cautious.
Matt Hancock was asked about tier 4 and more areas until a good unquantified number of people have been vaccinated, he merely said it would be 'very difficult'.
Accy cyclist
Legendary Member
- Location
- The hills of Accrington
What's this 'support bubble' for those living alone and feeling isolated and lonely,the idiot Johnson talks about? Is it some kind of official thing we can contact,or does it just mean we are allowed a friend round or similar? 🤔
Joey Shabadoo
My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
Any idea what?
