It is one thing to say it like that, it is very different when it actually happens to them, and particularly Vines' sort, very quick to go to the stiff upper lip routine, so long as it is someone else doing the dying.
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It is one thing to say it like that, it is very different when it actually happens to them, and particularly Vines' sort, very quick to go to the stiff upper lip routine, so long as it is someone else doing the dying.
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Smokin Joe
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If you have work and if you have travel people will have accidents while engaged in either of them. An unlucky few will die, that is something we have to accept. A world that is safe from cradle to grave for everybody will never happen.
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That'll be due to the waiting list in your NHS area / hospital. Should you choose to travel, and can ask to do so, then the wait somewhere else will be much shorter.
My GP referred me to the local NHS trust for a hearing check and the wait was 6-9 months. By asking could they check elsewhere, and the receptionist asking "are you OK to travel?" - to which my response was "I'll go anywhere" - I was seen at an NHS trust 15 miles away within a fortnight.
Julia9054
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This is what I was told when I went to my GP in July for a spot on my face that wouldn’t heal up. GP decided it wasn’t suspicious and told me that a non urgent referral to dermatology would be 6 months due to the backlog.
I am fortunate to have the resources to go private. It turned out to be skin cancer (squamous cell carcinoma). Gawd knows what sort of state I’d have been in in 6 months.
Mugshot
Cracking a solo.
Cummings is quoted as saying along the lines of "If some old people die, so what?" Perhaps your name is on the list, comfort yourself with that thought.
Very true, at an uglier end of range of choices, it's one between worse and worser.
If you want to prevent a premature death of 1% of a population but your method to do so starvates 2% to a same premature death, then you "cure" is worser than the desease it claims to cure. And this was just a single % difference.
Those "measures" taken by governments, just spread a same death toll over a longer period, but by then economy has collapsed and we'll all have died of starvation and other suffering, that look smallish on a short term of months, but essential on the longer term.
Or, a vaccine is found, 6 months, a year, 3 year, or not. Alike HIV still no vaccine, while the U.S. government announced in 1984 that they hoped to have a vaccine ready within two years. It's now 2020. But at this rate and magnitude of government terror, the economy will have collapsed anyway.
The "lock down" method they used/use, is starvating 90% of the population. Not now. If forced that long, within 6 months or a year or so. When all supply chains have collapsed.
If you don't have petrol, you can import it.
If you don't have petrol and don't have spare parts, you can import both. At least, if you still have a truck that rides.
If you miss 100 things, spare parts, trucks, electronical components, machines, then you stop everything. The "economical web" is then ripped up.
To illustrate with a real world, our forums world example:
https://www.velosolo.co.uk/blog.html
I wanted to order chainrings, but:
They had 2 left, but shipping cost makes their price +25% so I passed up.
But my hampster attitude of recent years saved my !ss. I have stock of dozens tyres, cogs, rings, only the latter less than normally, due to a bcd change and I wanted to test things first before ordering quantities.
Andy in Germany
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Smokin Joe
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Quoted out of context, if you read her full speech.
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Car and train crashes, domestic and industrial accidents, falling in rivers when drunk, and OD'ing on drugs are not highly contagious with a natural exponential rate of growth.
srw
It's a bit more complicated than that...
In context, it's worse.
"They are casting their problems at society. And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours." – in an interview in Women's Own in 1987
Andy in Germany
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Assuming this were the case, then the per capita death rate and economic damage would be about the same in similar countries, but it very clearly isn't; some countries have managed to reduce the infection and death rates more quickly than others and limit the damage to their economies.
winjim
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It looks like the ChAdOx1 vaccine may require a booster to be fully effective.
https://www.chemistryworld.com/news...itial-covid-19-vaccine-trials/4012246.article
I know some people in the study have been offered one but I haven't yet. Have to wait and see if they get in touch, but I guess they may be randomising who gets it.
https://www.chemistryworld.com/news...itial-covid-19-vaccine-trials/4012246.article
I know some people in the study have been offered one but I haven't yet. Have to wait and see if they get in touch, but I guess they may be randomising who gets it.
I registered interest on the trial website yesterday. Let's see if they show interest in me as a guinea pig.
More info in here:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/research/coronavirus-vaccine-research/
More info in here:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/research/coronavirus-vaccine-research/
matticus
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Tell that to the parents of children killed by cars, or the victims of industrial accidents (which often kill non-employees - Beirut being the extreme example).
I think you missed @stowie's point. He wasn't disputing the personal costs of any of those, what he was saying is that a train derailment doesn't cause a wave of other train derailments, but someone catching covid and going around unchecked would cause a wave of cases that grows exponentially unless control measures are put in place.
