Corona Virus: How Are We Doing?

[C R]

Natural selection in action....no sympathy.

I wouldn't mind if they could guarantee that they would only infect other like minded morons.

 

[Fab Foodie]

I wouldn't mind if they could guarantee that they would only infect other like minded morons.

In Ohio there’s a pretty high chance....

 

[Accy cyclist]

The government tell us that the virus could peak next week. Does anyone know when it'll be peaking in Peking?

 

[Levo-Lon]

So maybe she’s shielded due to another condition? UC in itself doesn’t put you on the list, biologic medication, high dose steroid usage etc may do so.

Why is her being the senior career funny??


I don't think you understand.

 

[Levo-Lon]

We may have our first case...

 

[gavroche]

Macron said on French tv that they might re open primary, secondary schools and colleges on May 11th as well as some businesses. What is he thinking about ? In my opinion, this is far too early and it will trigger a second round of the pandemic. If Boris makes the same decision oh, hang on, I forgot Boris is not running the country at the moment, too hot for him to handle. So , as I was saying, if this government decides to re open schools sometime next month, I, for one, will not be going until next September at the earliest. I value my life more than a few £ in the bank.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Macron said on French tv that they might re open primary, secondary schools and colleges on May 11th as well as some businesses. What is he thinking about ? In my opinion, this is far too early and it will trigger a second round of the pandemic. If Boris makes the same decision oh, hang on, I forgot Boris is not running the country at the moment, too hot for him to handle. So , as I was saying, if this government decides to re open schools sometime next month, I, for one, will not be going until next September at the earliest. I value my life more than a few £ in the bank.

Oh well done. A post about France but you still managed to get a dig in about a man convalescing from a life-threatening disease. Good for you.

 

[gavroche]

My view is my own and I stick by it, yours is yours and I respect that as well.

 

[C R]

Oh well done. A post about France but you still managed to get a dig in about a man convalescing from a life-threatening disease. Good for you.

It has become abundantly clear that the government dropped the ball massively starting in January, when Johnson was very much in control. Why should we not be able to criticise the government and in particular the prime minister?

Under the same logic, Chamberlain would never have been replaced in 1940.

 

[icowden]

I can't understand how all these people had it in January with mild symptoms but on the other end of the curve we didn't have tens of thousands dead as we do now. I doubt much more than 5% of people will had it when this lockdown is over which is a scary thought.

The best way to understand is by comparing to flu. Generally around 17,000 people in the UK die from flu or complications due to flu each year. Loads more get the flu, some very mildly. However, we can and do protect the people most vulnerable to flu through the use of a flu vaccine. It doesn't work 100% but it does provide additional protection for many people

Covid-19 is a very similar type of viral infection. However we have no vaccination (yet) to protect the most vulnerable, and no specific treatment to try and help those infected. Worse, those who are infected tend to develop a lung infection requiring additional oxygen or full ventillation. This doesn't happen with Flu. SO we need much more specialist equipment, many more ICU beds and a higher level of staffing to treat Covid. There isn't a vaccination to help those most vulnerable avoid the disease, and there is still quite a lot unknown around what it does and how best to treat people, hence we see some people who seem to be fit and healthy being killed by it.

Social distancing etc isn't an attempt to stop anyone getting Covid-19. It is an attempt to slow the spread of infection so that those who are infected and require intensive treatment can receive it.

 

[lane]

The best way to understand is by comparing to flu. Generally around 17,000 people in the UK die from flu or complications due to flu each year. Loads more get the flu, some very mildly. However, we can and do protect the people most vulnerable to flu through the use of a flu vaccine. It doesn't work 100% but it does provide additional protection for many people

Covid-19 is a very similar type of viral infection. However we have no vaccination (yet) to protect the most vulnerable, and no specific treatment to try and help those infected. Worse, those who are infected tend to develop a lung infection requiring additional oxygen or full ventillation. This doesn't happen with Flu. SO we need much more specialist equipment, many more ICU beds and a higher level of staffing to treat Covid. There isn't a vaccination to help those most vulnerable avoid the disease, and there is still quite a lot unknown around what it does and how best to treat people, hence we see some people who seem to be fit and healthy being killed by it.

Social distancing etc isn't an attempt to stop anyone getting Covid-19. It is an attempt to slow the spread of infection so that those who are infected and require intensive treatment can receive it.

Thanks for that which all makes sense but had no relationship whatsoever to what you quoted

 

[icowden]

Thanks for that which all makes sense but had no relationship whatsoever to what you quoted

Maybe I should have been more explicit.
Covid is most likely to kill those who have underlying conditions.
It is possible for many people to have had Covid already without this neccessarily affecting the death rate.
We also don't know whether there are multiple strains of the same virus.
The people who are being hospitalised and who make up the stats are those whom it has made most ill.
There is no data or testing to give any indication of how prevalent it is in the general population.

 

[C R]

Maybe I should have been more explicit.
Covid is most likely to kill those who have underlying conditions.
It is possible for many people to have had Covid already without this neccessarily affecting the death rate.
We also don't know whether there are multiple strains of the same virus.
The people who are being hospitalised and who make up the stats are those whom it has made most ill.
There is no data or testing to give any indication of how prevalent it is in the general population.

The point being made is that if a large part of the population had already had covid-19 then we would have already seen the deaths at that point. It is not possible for a large part of the population to have been exposed without the vulnerable fraction also being exposed.

Antibody testing in the US and the Netherlands indicates that only between 1 and 3% of the population are likely to have been exposed.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

It has become abundantly clear that the government dropped the ball massively starting in January, when Johnson was very much in control. Why should we not be able to criticise the government and in particular the prime minister?

Under the same logic, Chamberlain would never have been replaced in 1940.

But that's not what the post is saying.

Basically it's:
"France is planning this and I think it's a bad thing"
"Gratuitous dig at Johnson"
"If UK does what France does I will be upset"

 

[roubaixtuesday]

We also don't know whether there are multiple strains of the same virus.

You may be interested in how much we do know about the genetic makeup of the virus and how it is changing. For example:

https://www.cam.ac.uk/stories/sequencingcovid