Corona Virus: How Are We Doing?

[fossyant]

He lives in Hale and he knows the place and Altrincham as well as me, almost a lifetime spent there. Pubs are all open selling sorry excuses for "substantial meals", crisp sandwich for the main course sir, side of oven chips?
The only place closed was the Costa coffee shop. Two pubs not even arsked to provide pretend meals operating like speak easys with entry via the back door. Life goes on it seems even as the hospitals start to fill.

That's Hale for you.

Pubs near me are closed unless there really is a meal - those that usually serve meals are open but you can't go in unless booked for a meal.

I'm off to Manchester on Friday. We have a booked 90 minute slot for lunch in a bar, then we'll have a walk, no shopping, then booked into a restaurant for evening meal (7 hours later), then back to the hotel room. Hotel bar not open - can only go in restaurant for a meal.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

They will delay while they pay consultants vast fortunes to come up with a name that isn’t circuit breaker or firebreak.

Delay, Dither, Die?

Pestilence, Prevarication, Putrefaction?

What jolly japes.

 

[lane]

Just been looking at the news and they are saying it could go up to 500 deaths per day,
to me being an old fart it makes me feel I'm just waiting to die

Logic suggests that deaths will peak quite a bit higher than this now. We now have 100,000 cases a day doubling every 10 days. It is difficult to see we won't get to at least 200,000 a day given at how slow the Government reacts. I can't see it will be any better than the last peak.

 

[lane]

Delay, Dither, Die?

Pestilence, Prevarication, Putrefaction?

What jolly japes.

I think the new term is likely to be "National Measures" and my earlier prediction of the 20th November still stands.

 

[C R]

Delay, Dither, Die?

Pestilence, Prevarication, Putrefaction?

What jolly japes.

The second one sounds like a great death metal band

 

[kingrollo]

I work for a large NHS hospital and today took up the offer of antibody test. Nurse I spoke to they have had lots of people test positive with the slightest of ailments, sore throats, headaches, and that the three classic symptoms , Fever, Smell, Cough are missing a lot of cases. She was convinced you can pretty easily get COVID twice

She also told me the trust is discontinuing anti body tests - as they really don't get much from it. .

 

[oldfatfool]

Oh well now self isolating for 2 weeks because a colleague I worked with for half a shift last week as now tested positive, glad I bit the bullet and bought a new turbo. Rules are getting dafter though, soon everyone will be at home whether they have the virus or not and it will be one continuous circle until they wake up and realise the virus is here to stay.

 

[fossyant]

I know quite a few folk that have had kids sent home to 'isolate'. So far none of them have become ill fortunately, but it's two weeks stuck in for nothing (OK it's not quite nothing). This will be a merry-go-round.

 

[winjim]

Fun times as my colleague who I share an office with has tested positive. Extra fun times as he is part of the vaccine trial so hopefully in the control group. Extra super fun times as he's just returned from quarantine after his housemate had the virus, so isolation times, as anyone who's been paying attention will know, are not nearly long enough. Extra super duper fun times as he is totally asymptomatic and only got tested because he's part of the vaccine trial, having tested negative several times during his isolation period.

Fun times indeed.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Fun times as my colleague who I share an office with has tested positive. Extra fun times as he is part of the vaccine trial so hopefully in the control group. Extra super fun times as he's just returnes from quarantine after his housemate had the virus, so isolation times, as anyone who's been paying attention will know, are not nearly long enough. Extra super duper fun times as he is totally asymptomatic and only got tested because he's part of the vaccine trial, having tested negative several times during his isolation period.

Fun times indeed.

Good news in a way -every case in a vaccine trial is a case closer to an efficacy read out.

 

[winjim]

Good news in a way -every case in a vaccine trial is a case closer to an efficacy read out.

I know, we were saying earlier in the week that it was kind of a shame that nobody else in the house had caught it as it would have been useful info.

I'm hoping he'll be OK of course, his housemate only had it very mildly.

 

[fossyant]

I know, we were saying earlier in the week that it was kind of a shame that nobody else in the house had caught it as it would have been useful info.

I'm hoping he'll be OK of course, his housemate only had it very mildly.

Thing is, he would test positive, vaccine or not, but his symptoms should be mild (assuming he has had the vaccine). It doesn't stop you catching it, but your body knows how to deal with it.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Thing is, he would test positive, vaccine or not

No, not so.

The primary end point of the major phase III vaccine trials is testing positive by PCR.

I'll dig out a link in a mo.

 

[fossyant]

No, not so.

The primary end point of the major phase III vaccine trials is testing positive by PCR.

I'll dig out a link in a mo.

OK Ta... expands my knowledge.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Here you go

From the Oxford/AZ trial.

Primary endpoint: Virologically confirmed (PCR positive) symptomatic COVID-19 infection

From the official EU clinical trials register.

https://www.clinicaltrialsregister.eu/ctr-search/trial/2020-001228-32/GB

As an aside, it's interesting that the endpoint is symptomatic COVID - asymptomatic cases don't count. Whilst that makes sense from an individual benefit perspective, from a herd immunity perspective, as we know asymptomatic cases can be infectious, it doesn't.