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They do - I'd prefer a total ban on movement in and out of tier 3 for all except essential travel as per original lockdown.
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They do - I'd prefer a total ban on movement in and out of tier 3 for all except essential travel as per original lockdown.
lane
Veteran
Are you sure they don't include it in the stats re underlying conditions as opposed to advice on shielding?
classic33
Leg End Member
DaveReading
Don't suffer fools gladly (must try harder!)
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I don't see any evidence that people with underlying conditions are somehow considered expendable.
Fair question. First heard on a covid discussion program some time ago, and the claim was made by Prof. Dr. Klaus Püschel. He was (just retired) head of forensic medicine in Hamburg. Not a medical Brexiteer.
Against the initial advice of Robert Koch Institute (fear of infection) he did autopsies on corona patients in Hamburg with the support of the health authority and clinics, and the gist of his claim was that none of them had died from covid itself, only in conjunction with other pre-existing conditions, and almost all elderly. Up to September he had done 180 autopsies.
The point was not to play down the seriousness of the virus (you always get some who latch onto these things), but to reduce the level of fear amongst the general population, especially the younger and fitter. This is something we are going to have to live with for quite some time (he is dubious of vaccines) and we need a sober assessment of the risks. A return to a more normal way of life for the majority.
Having seen what the virus can do to you, he has gained some useful knowledge in preventative measures for patients who end up in intensive care.
For those who have lost loved ones, he sees no problem in seeing the body for a final farewell. There is unnecessary fear associated with this.
Hamburg does not of course represent the whole world, and research is continuing.
classic33
Leg End Member
Why should we be?
However there's a minority that feel we shouldn't be allowed out, if it restricts what they can do.
I'm of the view that every one has a part to play. With us all, as far is possible, working to the same set of restrictions.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
This again.
Who are the minority who should not "return to a more normal way of life"?
How many of them are there?
Where will they be incarcerated whilst the pandemic rages?
Who will look after them?
Where will their food come from?
When you think it's all over, what will the virus do with this fresh, virgin population to feast upon?
Are you sure you've thought this through?
How old are you?
Who is the oldest person you know whose life is worthwhile?
Are you really, really sure you've thought this through?
Really sure?
kingrollo
Guru
Semantics though. You could say no one dies of AIDS - or diabetes...it just wrecks a certain organ(s) in your body.
They refer to uncontrolled high BP.
classic33
Leg End Member
"We know that a diagnosis of high blood pressure (hypertension) is linked to a higher risk of serious illness from Covid-19, and therefore you are considered at high risk."
And
It seems likely that your increase in risk is relatively low if
- your blood pressure is well controlled, and
- it hasn’t caused your heart muscle to become thickened, and
- you have no other health conditions or risk factors (such as smoking, obesity or being over 70
My dad is 88. I don't want his life to be curtailed more than it already is because of coronavirus. I don't want more freedom and normality at his expense.
classic33
Leg End Member
IF being the important word. We do not know if lane has been. But support groups do not put that information up in order to scare you.
Myself, I've been placed in the
clinically extremely vulnerable grouping due to epilepsy. Which is missing from that list. Done by doctors, not by simply reading from a list of "qualifying conditions". That would be too easy for some.
lane
Veteran
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...id19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinjune2020
My reading of the above link in detail suggests that anything someone had wrong with them including hypertension is regarded as a pre existing condition for the purpose of the stats
My reading of the above link in detail suggests that anything someone had wrong with them including hypertension is regarded as a pre existing condition for the purpose of the stats
