Contador fails drug test

[Crackle]

Well, WADA and the UCI are still at loggerheads and that unratified plastics test is now being hushed

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-to-ensure-timely-conclusion-to-contador-case

 

[dellzeqq]

you're going to have to indulge me here, but let me run this by you..

isn't the most significant thing about this the test for chemicals associated with transfusions? And, if teams get it in to their heads that transfusions are a risk, will we see some riders tumble down the ratings next year?

 

[philipbh]

you're going to have to indulge me here, but let me run this by you..

isn't the most significant thing about this the test for chemicals associated with transfusions? And, if teams get it in to their heads that transfusions are a risk, will we see some riders tumble down the ratings next year?

Doubt it - other bags are available that don't have these types of plasticisers in them. If cyclists are transfusing blood then they should be using these bags already to avoid detection.

 

[Crackle]

Slim pickings for the contaminated meat defence

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/experts-poke-holes-in-contadors-contaminated-meat-defense

 

[the_mikey]

Alberto Contador in happier times....

 

[oldroadman]

What about bidons, made of plastic.....doubtless different to blood bags. Does this mean I could have plasticers in my bloodstream from a recent transfusion?
One other point, what about all the other sports clients identified (or not) as associated with the same Spanish source - I hear nothing about vertain very well known players in other big money ball sports. I'm 100% behind cleaning up SPORT, at the moment it seems to be business as usual, bash the filthy cheating cyclists, ignore/sweep away others.
It's WADA who should be making the noise, because if they see UCI as light touch, the international federations like (I don't want to get sued so won't mention FIFA and ATP, allegedly) must be ready to take off!

 

[gavintc]

Unless you are getting the fluid from your bidon into your body through a saline drip, I very much doubt that you will have the plasticers in your body. In addition, the bags in which blood are stored are quite a specific type of plastic.

 

[rich p]

?
One other point, what about all the other sports clients identified (or not) as associated with the same Spanish source - I hear nothing about vertain very well known players in other big money ball sports. I'm 100% behind cleaning up SPORT, at the moment it seems to be business as usual, bash the filthy cheating cyclists, ignore/sweep away others.
It's WADA who should be making the noise, because if they see UCI as light touch, the international federations like (I don't want to get sued so won't mention FIFA and ATP, allegedly) must be ready to take off!

I'd like to give you a detailed answer but I haven't got a clue what you're on about!

"the same source" ??? Contaminated meat or are you dragging in Puerto?

The WADA bit is incomprehensible I'm afraid.

 

[Chuffy]

I'd like to give you a detailed answer but I haven't got a clue what you're on about!

"the same source" ??? Contaminated meat or are you dragging in Puerto?

The WADA bit is incomprehensible I'm afraid.

I've translated it from Oldfart to English and yes, he's on about Puerto.

And I'm sick of the defensive whinging about other sports.

 

[Chuffy]

Are suggesting that Rich can't speak Old Fart?

 

[akaAndrew]

In oldroadman's defence (not that he needs me to do it!) he does, of course, have a point. There are more than just cyclists that dope. Personally, I have my doubts about a few footballers and tennis players too (just off the top of my head). Further, they're not all Spanish either! It's clearly no defence for cycling but all sports should be of concern to WADA.

Though I'm reminded of someone or other's recent comments (Bordry? the retiring AFLD chappie... or perhaps it was Kohl?? anyway...) that cycling simply does it better; due to money, practice and experience! Imho, UCI are inept and quite probably corrupt at some level or other, but is that unheard of amongst sports administrators? FIFA seems topical at the moment... and the IOC have been mentioned in whispers for donkey's ages. Again, doesn't mean it's okay for cycling though... which is my prime interest.

 

[John the Monkey]

What about bidons, made of plastic.....doubtless different to blood bags. Does this mean I could have plasticers in my bloodstream from a recent transfusion?

The plasticisers are a "family" of chemicals & are similar, so yes, you could have some in your body from bidons. However, the amounts involved are very different - and the testers set the threshold high enough to eliminate false positives.

One other point, what about all the other sports clients identified (or not) as associated with the same Spanish source - I hear nothing about vertain very well known players in other big money ball sports. I'm 100% behind cleaning up SPORT, at the moment it seems to be business as usual, bash the filthy cheating cyclists, ignore/sweep away others.

So? I don't care about other sports, tbh, I care about cycling. Just because crime exists, we don't abolish the law.

It's WADA who should be making the noise, because if they see UCI as light touch, the international federations like (I don't want to get sued so won't mention FIFA and ATP, allegedly) must be ready to take off!

Although the UCI are quite astonishingly hamfisted - I'd be entirely happy to see WADA police cycling, and the UCI promote and organise it. The current situation where the UCI is both cheerleader and policeman is a recipe for conflicts of interest, even without the apparent lack of PR and management skill and consistency Aigle are wont to display.

 

[Hont]

Just because crime exists, we don't abolish the law.

In oldroadman's defence I don't believe that was what he was saying. It was more "why is the law not applied to other sports?"

It is galling to hear commentators eulogising about iffy sportsmen whilst sneering at cycling's problems. Their naivity baffles me. Just like German TV turning its back on cycling after each positive test. Positive tests are a good thing. In EVERY Professional Sport there will be people trying to cheat or corrupt (be it doping, bribery, fake blood, match fixing or whatever). In cycling we know that there are still some who dope. If there are no positive tests then they are getting away with it - just like all those Jamaican sprinters, Spanish tennis players etc.

 

[Hont]

Although the UCI are quite astonishingly hamfisted - I'd be entirely happy to see WADA police cycling, and the UCI promote and organise it. The current situation where the UCI is both cheerleader and policeman is a recipe for conflicts of interest, even without the apparent lack of PR and management skill and consistency Aigle are wont to display.

+1

 

[NickM]

Assuming that it happens, how long will we have to wait before Schleck is awarded the 2010 Tour?

Why does it take so ridiculously long to redress injustices in professional cycling? By the time a cheat is deprived of his ill-gotten "win", the result has long ceased to be of interest, having been superseded by a new season's races. In even the most egregious cases of cheating (Landis), the rider who was deprived of a fair result in the race is lucky if he gets any real recognition, and that after an altogether inappropriate interval. This cannot be right.