I saw that quote. Slightly odd, in that once the test is out there in the big wide world of science surely it's not a necessary requirement to refer back to the 'inventor' every time?
Contador fails drug test
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I saw that quote. Slightly odd, in that once the test is out there in the big wide world of science surely it's not a necessary requirement to refer back to the 'inventor' every time?
philipbh
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Not realy odd - IMO - can you google up Segura Plasticiser Test and find a direct link to the paper
I suppose what he (Segura) is getting at is the lab in Cologne might have wanted to be 100% sure that they were following the correct test protocol.
They would be covering themselves against a technical defence by documenting that, although the test has yet to be officially recognised, they had been supervised (in some way) by the originator of the test to ensure their test followed the protocol
Hont
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Impossible for him maybe. A rider with such average physiology that even using CERA he couldn't beat Carlos Sastre riding clean.
GrumpyGregry
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Have the UCI not kicked him into touch yet? How tedious.
Dave Davenport
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Isn't having backing from Rasmussen a bit like calling Peter Sutcliffe as a character witness at your murder trial?
Someone at Astana is dishing the dirt on Bert now.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ast...dor-used-clenbuterol-at-criterium-du-dauphine
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ast...dor-used-clenbuterol-at-criterium-du-dauphine
Chuffy
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Which is almost too convenient. Something smells...
Which is almost too convenient. Something smells...
I'm having trouble with you in this reverse cynic role. He's caught bang to rights. Rumour has it Landis has a story too
Chuffy
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Landis, a story about Bertie? Do share....I'm having trouble with you in this reverse cynic role. He's caught bang to rights. Rumour has it Landis has a story too
Heh, I can smell your confusion. Don't worry, I'm not going soft. Think about it. When have you ever heard of a team 'insider' ratting out a rider at the level of Contador within days of a complicated and debatable failed test? That just doesn't happen. Whoever it was will almost certainly be uncovered and they will never work in cycling again. Just because they are saying what we want to hear doesn't mean we shouldn't ask questions.
I'm finding this whole thing a bit odd frankly. I didn't get a warm fuzzy glow when Bertie got busted, it wasn't a nice clean slam-dunk like a +tive for EPO or his blood being found in a dodgy doctor's clinic. Now, had everything been the same, but for Tex rather than Bertie, I'd have been celebrating. I didn't like that because I like to at least try to be objective. Basically I think I'm going from being a full-time witchfinder, hearing what I want to hear, to being prepared to at least consider other options and possibilities. I blame Yello, he led me to the Cycling News forum and that's stuffed to the gills with fundamentalist puritan types who think Kimmage is soft. I'm just trying to find a sensible middle path.
Lance is still a c*nt though.
I'm slightly shocked too Chuffers. AC has been suss from the word go and the evidence in this case is mounting up. He's clearly guilty as **** as far as I can see from the circumstantial evidence.
Chavanel jumping in is as persuasive as the rest of the science
Chavanel jumping in is as persuasive as the rest of the science
Chuffy
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I'm not defending him. How many times have I said that Bertie smells over the years? I'm just starting to question the way I process and deal with the information presented. In this case I have a feeling that there's a lot more to the story than a nice simple 'Bertie doped with Clen' + 'Bertie had a transfusion' narrative. The current Astana 'insider' story is incredibly convenient but doesn't fit with any logical or historical pattern.
I'm not sure what's going on, but something doesn't seem right.
I'm not defending him. How many times have I said that Bertie smells over the years? I'm just starting to question the way I process and deal with the information presented. In this case I have a feeling that there's a lot more to the story than a nice simple 'Bertie doped with Clen' + 'Bertie had a transfusion' narrative. The current Astana 'insider' story is incredibly convenient but doesn't fit with any logical or historical pattern.
I'm not sure what's going on, but something doesn't seem right.
Yes I see you've been active over there. I read the plasticizer thread, the talk of levels, false positives, sources of DEHP was interesting but the pattern of Bertie's results seems fairly conclusive. The only doubt was one of the last threads linking to a report discussing the variability of levels in non transfused patients and how it can spike one day and be low the next.
As someone said, his defence could soon change to eating contaminated steak fried in a teflon pan or; the dog ate my homework and was sick on my textbooks too.
I share Chuffy's unease... I think there's something else at play here too.
Not that Contador isn't guilty as charged (I think he is) but I think there's another battle being waged behind the scenes. I've said it elsewhere, I think WADA having finally tired of UCI's softly softly approach (and I'm being kind with that description) and have decided they want to get tough. Not before time either imho. I just keep telling myself that it's for the greater good even though I wish it were someone else being used to do it.
Not that Contador isn't guilty as charged (I think he is) but I think there's another battle being waged behind the scenes. I've said it elsewhere, I think WADA having finally tired of UCI's softly softly approach (and I'm being kind with that description) and have decided they want to get tough. Not before time either imho. I just keep telling myself that it's for the greater good even though I wish it were someone else being used to do it.
