Bradley Wiggins calls for safer cycling laws and compulsory helmets

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"Must everyone consider actual evidence before holding an opinion on anything? " David K



Not everyone who holds an opinion has considered actual evidence before holding that opinion.

You think they should

I dont think every opinion requires actual evidence.

I cannot think how depressing life would be for somebody to worried to hold an opinion without having first to read up on in depth evidence and data, I am glad I am free from this burden you obvious carry.

Anyone so cavalier as to offer opinions which impact on people's health and safety based on no evidence is ethically and morally deficient IMO.

 

[Linford]

Reverted to childish insult there Linf.

It was a response to your previous post which effectively started the ball rolling

You do understand that your core belief is bollocks don't you?

 

[Linford]

Stop diverting the discussion into irrelevance.

You mean by me stating that stats can be manipulated if there is no limit on the costs incurred to make the scheme look like it is viable - or is that veleble ?

 

[ufkacbln]

It is when the opinion is ill-informed,poorly evidenced and demonstrably wrong that the problems arise. You can have an opinion, and providing that you state it as a personal and unverified opinion then that is fine....Pass it off as fact, and expect others to act upon it is unacceptable.As I have posted before it is when uninformed opinion becomes dangerous.

The example I quoted was from another thread when the stated opinion was that standard cycle helmets were wide enough to prevent facial injury.

If someone with off road or BMX aspirations believed that opinion and bought a standard helmet expecting it to protect their face then their safety would have been compromised by the opinion.

Is that acceptable?

 

[Linford]

It is when the opinion is ill-informed,poorly evidenced and demonstrably wrong that the problems arise. You can have an opinion, and providing that you state it as a personal and unverified opinion then that is fine....Pass it off as fact, and expect others to act upon it is unacceptable.As I have posted before it is when uninformed opinion becomes dangerous.

The example I quoted was from another thread when the stated opinion was that standard cycle helmets were wide enough to prevent facial injury.

If someone with off road or BMX aspirations believed that opinion and bought a standard helmet expecting it to protect their face then their safety would have been compromised by the opinion.

Is that acceptable?

Why not supply the source when you make these claims so we know what the hell you are on about ?

 

[mcshroom]

Why not supply the source when you make these claims so we know what the hell you are on about ?

the irony

 

[Linford]

the irony

I'll take that as a capitulation

 

[mcshroom]

You seem to take all sorts as all sorts of things. Shame you never seem to find the evidence eh

 

[ufkacbln]

So how is the Paris experiment doing now for theft ?

Absolutely no idea, I also have no idea of the present theft rates in New York, Montreal, Hangzhou, or any of the other schemes.


The relevance, and point you have chosen to ignore was that we learned from the mistakes of this and other schemes....and the success of the Boris Bikes and low theft rate is a result of that learning

 

[ufkacbln]

........ for babies being conveyed on cycles as this act in itself is frowned upon ?

Why not supply the source when you make these claims so we know what the hell you are on about ?

 

[ufkacbln]

I'ev actually been saying this since page 13 (orwas it page 14)

At last. The penny has dropped. It only took 50 odd pages.....

You made yourself so clear comments such as

"Cyclists are let down by the lack of compulsion"

 

[Norm]

After 1,426 responses, can we shut this one down yet so we can go for a ride?

 

[benb]

As the law and technology stands, we are actually calling for the same thing - I am at present 'anti compulsion'

If the technology moves forward to give parity with the motorcycle standards, then I will become 'pro compulsion'

I must be unreasonable for thinking this way if the comments are anything to go by.

Not necessarily unreasonable, just utterly counter-productive.

Even if helmets were 100% effective at preventing head injuries, compulsion would still be a terrible idea, because the lives saved by helmets would be dwarfed by the lives lost due to fewer cyclists, and thus an increase in obesity and coronary heart disease.

 

[theclaud]

The Kool Gang? Bunch of knobbers!


Or was that Kool and The Gang?

Are you serious??? Roll yourself a fat one and listen to this:

 

[benb]

Are you actually attempting to say that small babies and pedestrians carry the same risk of a head injury ?

I've got my 2 year old granddaughter in the room now with me whilst her mum goes and sorts the horses out, and I can state for the record she falls over a lot more than any adult I know....

No, I didn't say that at all. Why do you insist on (deliberately?) misrepresenting what people say?