Armstrong charged and banned

[Alun]

How about all my old videos of Armstrong's TdF victories, showing also Pantani, Ulrich, Virenque, Basso, Beloki, Hincapie, Rasmussen. Do I have to bin these? I also have some of Indurain winning as well. Are these at risk???!

Got any of Merckx and Anquetil?

 

[yello]

What sanction and compulsion do USADA have over a Swiss or Italian citizen? Were the offences committed on US soil which gives them jurisdiction?

Through WADA basically. USADA conducted the investigation and issue the sanctions, other affiliated bodies are bound to respect the decision. I know, it runs counter intuitive to laws as we take them to be but it's about combating the international nature of doping in sport. There's no 'tax haven' for doping.

 

[Smokin Joe]

What sanction and compulsion do USADA have over a Swiss or Italian citizen? Were the offences committed on US soil which gives them jurisdiction?

All doping cases are handed to the riders home federation for investigation and punishment. USADA only have jurisdiction over American citizens.

 

[Alun]

What sanction and compulsion do USADA have over a Swiss or Italian citizen? Were the offences committed on US soil which gives them jurisdiction?

Don't the US have jurisdiction over everybody in the world?

 

[rich p]

All doping cases are handed to the riders home federation for investigation and punishment. USADA only have jurisdiction over American citizens.

But Bruyneel has acceded to USADA's demand for arbitration.

 

[Crankarm]

Well the feel good glow for cycling following the Lympics will now well and truly disappear. It will be back to business as usual in the press as cyclists are re-crowned public enemy No. 1. I guess the yanks decided to make as much noise about this as they could as they are not doing very well in cycling at the mo. Strange they were more than happy to lap it up when Lance was winning - seven tours he won. The Yanks though know a thing or two about stepping outside the law and witch hunts.

 

[dan_bo]

Can we set up the sweary algorythm to say l***e a*******g now?

 

[Crankarm]

Got any of Merckx and Anquetil?

I have some of Merckx but these are of him rather than him winning. My first proper bike was a Merckx.

I think a few others have used the F word. It's a total farce.

 

[threebikesmcginty]

Can we set up the sweary algorythm to say l***e a*******g now?

Who?

 

[just jim]

Well the feel good glow for cycling following the Lympics will now well and truly disappear. It will be back to business as usual in the press as cyclists are re-crowned public enemy No. 1. I guess the yanks decided to make as much noise about this as they could as they are not doing very well in cycling at the mo. Strange they were more than happy to lap it up when Lance was winning - seven tours he won. The Yanks though know a thing or two about stepping outside the law and witch hunts.

I am feeling rather more optimistic about the future. A line has been drawn (and not the arbitrary kind) and Armstrong stepped over it. He's got a longer way to fall than others, to be blummin sure.
It is a seismic moment for the sport, and I hope it will make others think twice and realise they have a great deal to lose - especially up and coming riders.

No pressure on Wiggins to speak up about recent developments though

 

[dan_bo]

Who?

Already!

 

[Get In The Van]

not sure if this has been posted up earlier on in this thread but this is a run down of the top 5 riders in each of the tours Lance won....makes kinda sad reading for the widespread abuse that was/still going on

The Tours That Lance Won

1999​

1. Lance Armstrong​

2. Alex Zülle (‘98 busted for EPO)​

3. Fernando Escartín (Systematic team doping exposed in ‘04)​

4. Laurent Dufaux (‘98 busted for EPO)​

5. Ángel Casero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)​

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2000​

1. Lance Armstrong​

2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)​

3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)​

4. Christophe Moraue (‘98 busted for EPO)​

5. Roberto Heras (‘05 busted for EPO)​

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2001​

1. Lance Armstrong​

2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)​

3. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)​

4. Andrei Kivilev​

5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)​

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2002​

1. Lance Armstrong​

2. Joseba Beloki (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)​

3. Raimondas Rumšas (Suspended in ‘03 for doping)​

4. Santiago Botero (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)​

5. Igor González de Galdeano (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)​

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2003​

1. Lance Armstrong​

2. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)​

3. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)​

4. Tyler Hamilton (Suspended ‘04 for blood doping)​

5. Haimar Zubeldia​

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2004​

1. Lance Armstrong​

2. Andreas Kloden (Named in doping case in ‘08)​

3. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)​

4. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)​

5. Jose Azevedo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)​

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2005​

1. Lance Armstrong​

2. Ivan Basso (Suspended in ‘07 for Operacion Puerto ties)​

3. Jan Ullrich (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)​

4. Fransico Mancebo (‘06 implicated in Operacion Puerto)​

5. Alexander Vinokourov (Suspended in ‘07 for CERA)​

 

[Flying_Monkey]

I am feeling rather more optimistic about the future. A line has been drawn (and not the arbitrary kind) and Armstrong stepped over it. He's got a longer way to fall than others, to be blummin sure.
It is a seismic moment for the sport, and I hope it will make others think twice and realise they have a great deal to lose - especially up and coming riders

I agree. This is all about the past.

 

[albion]

It will be interesting if/when the evidence is released.
Anecdotal evidence here is far too enthusiastic to have intended effect.

Sadly the whole thing is a green light for further cheating, especially in the real big money sports.
I consider cycling to be a minor money sport .

 

[raindog]

Sadly the whole thing is a green light for further cheating, especially in the real big money sports.

Cheating and getting busted for it years later is a green light for others to cheat?