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He's lost more than his tdf wins?
 
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yello said:
They'll release the evidence after Bruyneel and Martin have had their hearings, and the dates for that hasn't been decided yet. Isn't that a sufficient statement for now? Believe me, they'll do it if they can. It really is not in USADAs interests not to.
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As I said, I know they can't release the evidence before the other cases conclude.
I think there will be delays afterwards, terms like "in due course" and "at the right time" do not fill me with confidence as to when the evidence will ACTUALLY be released. It is not sufficient statement, it is whitewash!
Why is it not in USADAs interest not to release the data, if they have got the result they want?
 
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Chuffy said:
Excellent (as always) summary from INRNG here.
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This....

"If you think it is a joke to award the result to Jan Ullrich, Fernando Escartin or Joseba Beloki then the same logic dictates it is a farce for Armstrong to keep the win because he was doing the same. At the same time we can take some tiny satisfaction the rules are being applied to the letter, a refreshing change. But away from the rules the moral lesson is that there are no winners and those who could be declared a winner never stood on the podium, never wore yellow in Paris or made millions from the glory. They remain losers, it’s a farce, so don’t dwell on it."

says exactly what I had a couple of goes at typing without quite getting it right.
 
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How about all my old videos of Armstrong's TdF victories, showing also Pantani, Ulrich, Virenque, Basso, Beloki, Hincapie, Rasmussen. Do I have to bin these? I also have some of Indurain winning as well. Are these at risk???! :sad:
 
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Cycling News Para 3:

...including forfeiture of any medals, titles, winnings, finishes, points and prizes.

Really? That'll be a lot of $$$ to pay back.
 
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Chuffy said:
Excellent (as always) summary from INRNG here.
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Thanks for that. Succinct and to the point.

It also pointed out a couple of mistakes I'd been making. It's Pedro Celaya, along with Bruyneel, that have opted for arbitration, not Pepe Marti - or Martin, as I'd been calling him! But I guess you all realised what I meant ;)
 
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MichaelM said:
Cycling News Para 3:

...including forfeiture of any medals, titles, winnings, finishes, points and prizes.

Really? That'll be a lot of $$$ to pay back.
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Well, in practice, I don't think that ever actually happens. Medals and jerseys yes, but the prize money....
 
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Chuffy said:
Excellent (as always) summary from INRNG here.
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It says in this article, that the rules state that the titles must be given to the second placed rider.
That should clear up any confusion on this thread.
I'll be pouring out a schnapps later to toast Jan Ullrich, winner of 4 TdFs. Well done Jan !
 
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What sanction and compulsion do USADA have over a Swiss or Italian citizen? Were the offences committed on US soil which gives them jurisdiction?
 
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