Armstrong charged and banned

[thom]

There must be quite a few recently retired UK pros who'd be up for "expert opinion" roles.
I quite like Ned Boulting - anyway, this is heading off topic so I'll shut up !

 

[Red Light]

Even if they weren't fully paid up members of Team Tex, their commentary is s***e anyway. But this latest guffing off from Liggett should get them fired.

Why? Because Liggett is not following your mantra? Even if you disagree with what Liggett has said, why should what he said get Sherwen fired? I really do dislike the lynch mob and MacCarthy mentality of some of the anti-Armstrong camp.

 

[thom]

USOmerta

 

[Flying_Monkey]

USOmerta

A good piece. What the people who are inexplicably still defending Armstrong here don't appear to understand, with their ridiculous analogies to McCarthyism and so on, is that there is a much better analogy here, which the word 'omerta' indicates, and that is to a mafia trial. Trying to pin down the actual crimes that mafia dons have committed is always difficult because of the ways in which colleague and underlings 'distribute' the crime and act as alibis. And of course the rewards for conformity with the mafia are great, and the punishment for speaking out are shunning and banishment (or worse). Everyone knows there are mafias, but few will talk about it and many openly support the benefits they bring to them and their community. The only way in which mafias are brought down and dons convicted is either through investigations into other more mundane crimes (like tax evasion and fraud), and the courage of informers and those other members of the network who are persuaded to give evidence in return for more lenient treatment. The activities that went on during the EPO era of cycling were very mafia-like. Armstrong was certainly not the only one, but he comes pretty close to being a 'cappo di tutti cappi' figure by the end of the period - and certainly symbolically.

 

[rich p]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/larsson-applauds-armstrong-decision
May have been posted before but does anyone know if Larsson has a book coming out to explain his extraordinary outburst?

 

[PpPete]

The FCC has stated that the victories should not be reallocated for the 'lost years' and they also want their prize money back....
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/La-ffc-veut-un-palmares-vierge/309566

Which are the "lost years"? Just where Armstrong won, or does it include where other dopers (suspected or established) have won?
I can't read the article, it appears to be written in some foreign tongue.

Here you go

The French Federation (FFC) wishes that "positions left vacant following the removal of titles from Lance Armstrong, are not reassigned, leaving blank the winners of the Tour de France for seven years" between 1999 and 2005. According to the FCC, such a measure would prevent "any controversy as to the credibility of eventual winners.» The International Cycling Union (UCI) has yet to confirm or not the decision of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (Usada) to ban Lance Armstrong for life and to cancel all of his results since 1998, including seven victories in the Tour de France.

FFC, who believes that "Lance Armstrong's refusal to challenge USADA accusations sounds like an admission of guilt," also wants the "reimbursement of prizes obtained during Tour de France and other competitions for a total estimated at around 2.95 million euros. "

Edit - sorry forgot those froggies invert their , and .
it's 2.95 million , not 2950 million

 

[Red Light]

A good piece. What the people who are inexplicably still defending Armstrong here don't appear to understand, with their ridiculous analogies to McCarthyism and so on, is that there is a much better analogy here, which the word 'omerta' indicates, and that is to a mafia trial.

And what you don't appear to understand is you have not seen any of the evidence that USADA claim to have to know whether its a damning indictment or a crock of sh*t and yet you are quite prepared to harangue and insult those of us who are holding judgement until the evidence is available.

And your analogy to the mafia is quite appropriate because the prosecutors in those cases always base their prosecutions on hard evidence and a scrupulous judicial approach whereas here we have the lynch mob out to hang the alleged Godfather before the evidence has even been set out by the investigators.

 

[DogTired]

And what you don't appear to understand is you have not seen any of the evidence that USADA claim to have to know whether its a damning indictment or a crock of sh*t and yet you are quite prepared to harangue and insult those of us who are holding judgement until the evidence is available.

The charge sheet is to hand. LA knows it and knows what is behind it. The alpha male's alpha male who never backs out of a fight and has ruled his world by bullying, threats and abuse has plainly bottled it. If it was a crock do you think LA would fail to contest?

Not a chance - he'd be going for the throat to destroy the last people who have challenged him.

I have a suspicion he knows more than you or I about the whole situation and he doesnt want to answer the claims or get them aired.

 

[Crankarm]

Come on, 2 more pages to go.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

And your analogy to the mafia is quite appropriate

I'm glad you agree with me.

 

[Boris Bajic]

Well, I knew a chap who used to garden for a fellow whose aunt was married (her first marriage) to the third son of the best friend of the uncle (by marriage) of the chap who taught Geography in the Texas high school nearest to the one attended by Lance Armstrong.

He said (and this is inside information, so treat it as such) that Lance just wasn't the kind of kid who'd get mixed up in all that ugly old drug stuff.

He knew this because he'd been assured of it by someone as close to the family as he was himself.

Now that I've revealed that (probable) truth, there is no way this thread will reach 100 pages.

Please all pack up your prejudices, clear up the mess you've made and go home!

I hope this has helped.

 

[rich p]

Has Lance started a lawsuit for defamation against Tyler H yet or is he still tired?

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Here you go

The French Federation (FFC) wishes that "positions left vacant following the removal of titles from Lance Armstrong, are not reassigned, leaving blank the winners of the Tour de France for seven years" between 1999 and 2005. According to the FCC, such a measure would prevent "any controversy as to the credibility of eventual winners.»

Yep. Cos they just don't want those podium girls to get the palamares.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

And what you don't appear to understand is you have not seen any of the evidence that USADA claim to have to know whether its a damning indictment or a crock of sh*t and yet you are quite prepared to harangue and insult those of us who are holding judgement until the evidence is available.

And your analogy to the mafia is quite appropriate because the prosecutors in those cases always base their prosecutions on hard evidence and a scrupulous judicial approach whereas here we have the lynch mob out to hang the alleged Godfather before the evidence has even been set out by the investigators.

Actually, looking at the way USADA behave I think they are guilty of Armstrongism too.

 

[rich p]

Not sure if this has been posted yet
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...mstrong-teammate-friend-turns-banal-very-ugly