Armstrong charged and banned

[DogTired]

....and the means used apparently to get riders to give evidence against Armstrong.

Not sure how true this is but plea bargaining does need careful use to avoid abuse (even if it is useful in some areas.)

However there's a bucketload of difference between getting someone to give factual evidence and getting someone just to give evidence (which may or may not be factual).

 

[johnr]

When does someone get to serve prison time?

He's white, rich and has strong political connections in the USA, so it won't be him

 

[ufkacbln]

To be honest, I don't know what allegation you're talking about - cunningly you didn't articulate the alleged insubstantial allegation and it might help if we know what you're on about.

Simply RichP has on a number of occasions. alleged that LA is embezzling funds form the LAF , yet failed to ofer anything outside his closed "LA is the root of all evil and guilty of everything" agenda

 

[Noodley]

Armstrong also has an interest in Stingerz (gels, etc) so don't buy them.

 

[yello]

A sneak preview of the Tyler Hamilton book...

Hamilton explains that his own drug use began before Armstrong joined the team in 1998 but that Armstrong provided him with EPO shortly before the 1999 Tour de France. Hamilton was with Armstrong at the latter's home in Nice, France at the time. He also details the doping plan for the team during the race, which he alleges took place with Armstrong's knowledge, which included a motorcyclist travelling behind the convoy with a thermos of EPO that would be given to the riders following the stage. Hamilton also says that team management encouraged and supervised the use of PEDs and that they were distributed in white lunch bags.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hamilton-says-armstrong-gave-him-epo-before-1999-tour-de-france

and some more from....

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...acuses-doping-article-1.1148508#ixzz255mVRmJp

Hamilton says Armstrong told him at the 2001 Tour of Switzerland that he had tested positive for EPO but that Armstrong wasn't concerned about it because of his friendship with the leader of the International Cycling Union, or UCI.

 

[rich p]

Simply RichP has on a number of occasions. alleged that LA is embezzling funds form the LAF , yet failed to ofer anything outside his closed "LA is the root of all evil and guilty of everything" agenda

Can you point out where I said that? I simply asked if the funds were going to the for-profit or the charity part of Livestrong. That is to say, was it enriching Lance Armstrong personally to a considerable extent, rather than his charity part. A legitimate question which has been raised and debated for years if you'd been following the trail for more than a few weeks.

 

[rich p]

A sneak preview of the Tyler Hamilton book...


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hamilton-says-armstrong-gave-him-epo-before-1999-tour-de-france

and some more from....

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...acuses-doping-article-1.1148508#ixzz255mVRmJp

That's a bit more specific and damning than I'd hoped to be honest. I'm not sure how Lance will dismiss the detail and specifics of the systematic programme. Just a bitter team-mate who needs to sell a book, line again?

 

[kevin_cambs_uk]

A sneak preview of the Tyler Hamilton book...


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hamilton-says-armstrong-gave-him-epo-before-1999-tour-de-france

and some more from....

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...acuses-doping-article-1.1148508#ixzz255mVRmJp

how on earth did no one spot all of this?

 

[rich p]

Here's a nice letter from Michael Ashenden to Phil (the idiot) Liggett

http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2012/filthy-business-indeed

 

[Strathlubnaig]

The FCC has stated that the victories should not be reallocated for the 'lost years' and they also want their prize money back....
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/La-ffc-veut-un-palmares-vierge/309566

 

[Alun]

The FCC has stated that the victories should not be reallocated for the 'lost years' and they also want their prize money back....
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/La-ffc-veut-un-palmares-vierge/309566

Which are the "lost years"? Just where Armstrong won, or does it include where other dopers (suspected or established) have won?
I can't read the article, it appears to be written in some foreign tongue.

 

[thom]

Simply RichP has on a number of occasions. alleged that LA is embezzling funds form the LAF , yet failed to ofer anything outside his closed "LA is the root of all evil and guilty of everything" agenda

I've looked to try to work out where this was suggested and I couldn't find it. Maybe you could point it out ?

 

[Red Light]

Here's a nice letter from Michael Ashenden to Phil (the idiot) Liggett

http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2012/filthy-business-indeed

Not surprising given his history But interesting how you either support the Rich P view or are labelled an idiot. I suspect Phil talks directly to a lot more of the people involved in this than you do and his statement that someone he spoke to directly was offered a lot of money if he would say Armstrong doped should be of deep concern to everyone and questions the validity of the USADA witness evidence which is the main plank of their case.

 

[Red Light]

Not sure how true this is but plea bargaining does need careful use to avoid abuse (even if it is useful in some areas.)

However there's a bucketload of difference between getting someone to give factual evidence and getting someone just to give evidence (which may or may not be factual).

But this is more akin to a gang being questioned over who stabbed the victim with in this case the suspected guilty party identified to them first. In those circumstances they are all likely to say "Yeah it was him wot done it"

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Careful or you'll be getting yourself a fanboy tag

A tag I was once proud to wear fwiw.

Nowadays I'm part of Team "They're (probably) all cheats".