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A sneak preview of the Tyler Hamilton book...

Hamilton says Armstrong told him at the 2001 Tour of Switzerland that he had tested positive for EPO but that Armstrong wasn't concerned about it because of his friendship with the leader of the International Cycling Union, or UCI.

I can see how he might with the connivance of UCI be able to quash one result although where is the evidence? Has anyone asked the Swiss lab because the Swiss are nothing if not fastidious in recording the details? I would have thought if Hamilton had told the USADA that, armed with the details and his ID number they could have gone in and got hold of the original positive test and we would not be talking about results that "are consistent with doping" but of a failed and suppressed EPO test uncovered.

But we are talking mainly about the Tour de France, a race in which the testing lab, LNDD, has direct links into L'Equipe which has often published the results before UCI, the rider or WADA had received them and L'Equipe is no friend of Armstrong. It was even L'Equipe that first broke the leaked retrospective test results for EPO IIRC. So how in seven TdeF's did he manage to noble that whole system?

And why have a motorbike with EPO follow the peleton? I thought the whole point was you doped with EPO and then let it flush out the system leaving behind long lasting performance enhancement. So why did they need to top up on it after every race and why carry it round in a motorbike with the peleton and not take it direct to somewhere near the end of the stage if they did indeed need post race top-ups?

Many many questions which will need to await publication of the book. But even then as a twice caught and banned doper he must have limited earning opportunities and no publisher is going to be that interested in a book from him without something tasty to sell it (curious its due out a couple of weeks after the USADA decision) and it basically a book about his life of doped cycling both with and without LA. So whatever is said in the book has to be viewed with some caution.
 

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Armstrong also has an interest in Stingerz (gels, etc) so don't buy them.
It's worse than that.

Armstrong breathes the same air as the rest of us so hold your breath!:wacko:
 
A tag I was once proud to wear fwiw.

Nowadays I'm part of Team "They're (probably) all cheats".

I suspect too they all were and the subsequent evidence is that they were. They should probably vacate all the podium positions for those years and probably the top five at least to be consistent.
 

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I suspect too they all were and the subsequent evidence is that they were. They should probably vacate all the podium positions for those years and probably the top five at least to be consistent.
You'll have seen the NYtimes tainted top ten finishers grid form the last 10 tours. I think there is a link to it somewhere above There are lots, well a few, blank spaces. They'd be the cheats who didn't get caught (yet.)

I've no doubt in 10 years time whatever cheating/doping system which is currently in use at the top today will become detectable and they will have moved on anyway but for now we will kid ourselves it is a clean sport.
 
You'll have seen the NYtimes tainted top ten finishers grid form the last 10 tours. I think there is a link to it somewhere above There are lots, well a few, blank spaces. They'd be the cheats who didn't get caught (yet.)

I've no doubt in 10 years time whatever cheating/doping system which is currently in use at the top today will become detectable and they will have moved on anyway but for now we will kid ourselves it is a clean sport.

Yes and its incomplete. There is another table of the Top Five for the seven years of which only two have not been found to be dopers or implicated in doping (and one of those being dead probably never will). Yet the NY Times grid has plenty of vacancies in the Top Five. Beloki for example.
 

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Did anyone see the article in cycling news that seems to have been promptly deleted? Basically ligget is claiming that usada tried to bribe him and others to testify against Armstrong.
 
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Did anyone see the article in cycling news that seems to have been promptly deleted? Basically ligget is claiming that usada tried to bribe him and others to testify against Armstrong.

Not him but someone he spoke to last week. His other major claim of "Why are the USADA doing this" which he repeated several times has some some support though. Judge Sparks said in his decision that

"USADA's conduct raises serious questions about whether its real interest in charging Armstrong is to combat doping, or if it is acting according to less noble motives"
 
When the dust settles, I really hope ITV don't broadcast a Liggett (&Sherwen) commentary at future TdF's unless Liggett's tune is changed markedly.

Ah MacCarthyism at its best. "If you disagree with us you must be a collaborator and stripped of your livelihood." And you complain about the Omerta. Why are you and others so afraid of a healthy debate that you feel the need to wish harm on those with different viewpoints?
 
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