Are we being forced to go electric?

[FishFright]

I think you may be pushing it a bit there: "Not being able to drive a car everywhere" is a long way from "New stone age", just as "Pointing out potential issues with some technology" isn't really "Objecting to everything."

It may be that the future is a Utopia full of EV's, but I don't see how that can work, given the issues. My concern is that the narratives being presented to the public aren't even addressing them.

EV's are a step in the right direction at least .
As you know I don't do cars but it's a personal choice and it's a difficult sell to a driver that it's better my way.

You've seen on here and plenty of other places a strong resistance to even changing the power train never mind giving up motorised transport . So I try to applaud the baby steps even though , I strongly suspect, is way too little and way too late.

 

[icowden]

It may be that the future is a Utopia full of EV's, but I don't see how that can work, given the issues. My concern is that the narratives being presented to the public aren't even addressing them.

Literally every issue you have raised has been addressed. We have offered you case studies, reviews, data from National Grid, and personal experience. Are there other mysterious issues that you haven't raised yet?

 

[icowden]

EV's are a step in the right direction at least .
As you know I don't do cars but it's a personal choice and it's a difficult sell to a driver that it's better my way.

I think the difficulty with the sell is that some things you just can't do without a car. I love riding my bike and I don't have a problem with trains. Busses are a pain, especially where I live. The major issue for me personally is freight. I play in a band so I need to get to rehearsals and gigs with a 27kh keyboard, amplifier, and sundry accoutrements. A car is the only option to be able to do that. Similarly family trips would be a nightmare without a car to put bags, shoes and children in. Further, I have twice today zoomed out to help my daughter when she was having a hypo (she is T1D) so there are medical reasons as well.

I think for a large swathe of drivers, a car is the only choice. Some of that could be improved by public transport, but that takes the will of government to invest in it.

 

[classic33]

Literally every issue you have raised has been addressed. We have offered you case studies, reviews, data from National Grid, and personal experience. Are there other mysterious issues that you haven't raised yet?

What's mysterious about a grid that, by the operators own admission, was close to failing eight months ago.

What you've given is stopgap after stopgap. Very little else, other than singing the praises of one manufacturer. Who seems not to be able to deliver on earlier promises.

Some of what you've proposed will actually lead to an increase in what you say you want to slow down. There's no single answer to this, electric self driving cars will not be hitting the UK roads, in large numbers any time soon. And if every petrol and diesel private vehicle were to be replaced with an electric one, the chaos continues. But only so long as you don't mind stepping over power leads running over pavements, ducking under those that are hanging down from first floor and higher properties.

 

[icowden]

What's mysterious about a grid that, by the operators own admission, was close to failing eight months ago.

Source please. The only statements I can find from National Grid is concern about possible blackouts due to huge demand caused by cold weather and the cutting off of supplies from Russia.

What you've given is stopgap after stopgap. Very little else, other than singing the praises of one manufacturer. Who seems not to be able to deliver on earlier promises.

eh?

Some of what you've proposed will actually lead to an increase in what you say you want to slow down. There's no single answer to this, electric self driving cars will not be hitting the UK roads, in large numbers any time soon.

Ford and Jaguar have been approved for self-driving cars in the UK. Define soon.

And if every petrol and diesel private vehicle were to be replaced with an electric one, the chaos continues. But only so long as you don't mind stepping over power leads running over pavements, ducking under those that are hanging down from first floor and higher properties.

That's obviously not going to happen. Pavements will have lamp-post chargers, more points will appear in car parks, supermarkets etc. Competition between charging companies will lower prices etc. As demand increases capitalism will work its magic on prices.

 

[cougie uk]

I think the difficulty with the sell is that some things you just can't do without a car. I love riding my bike and I don't have a problem with trains. Busses are a pain, especially where I live. The major issue for me personally is freight. I play in a band so I need to get to rehearsals and gigs with a 27kh keyboard, amplifier, and sundry accoutrements. A car is the only option to be able to do that. Similarly family trips would be a nightmare without a car to put bags, shoes and children in. Further, I have twice today zoomed out to help my daughter when she was having a hypo (she is T1D) so there are medical reasons as well.

I think for a large swathe of drivers, a car is the only choice. Some of that could be improved by public transport, but that takes the will of government to invest in it.

Meh. I have taken my family to London and Edinburgh for some great holidays on the train. It's not a nightmare at all - in fact it was easier than taking a car into a city centre. I just don't see how more cars can ever be the answer.

 

[lazybloke]

Meh. I have taken my family to London and Edinburgh for some great holidays on the train. It's not a nightmare at all - in fact it was easier than taking a car into a city centre. I just don't see how more cars can ever be the answer.

I think everyone is agreed that fewer cars are the answer. The problem is too few want to give them up. Myself included.

 

[classic33]

Source please. The only statements I can find from National Grid is concern about possible blackouts due to huge demand caused by cold weather and the cutting off of supplies from Russia.

eh?

Ford and Jaguar have been approved for self-driving cars in the UK. Define soon.

That's obviously not going to happen. Pavements will have lamp-post chargers, more points will appear in car parks, supermarkets etc. Competition between charging companies will lower prices etc. As demand increases capitalism will work its magic on prices.

Seems the UK government don't agree with you on that part.

As for soon, say the next ten years. But wait and see what 2025 brings.

 

[Alex321]

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Seems the UK government don't agree with you on that part.

As for soon, say the next ten years. But wait and see what 2025 brings.

Maybe that is out of date
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...egal-hands-free-drive-car-but-who-will-buy-it

Or maybe it only refers to cars with level 3 or higher automation (The Ford one is only level 2).

 

[lazybloke]

Well that's annoying, my wife's car might need replacing prematurely, due to rust.
Disappointing that a modern Nissan would suffer the same crap issues as Longbridge cars of the 70s.

Had hoped to go fully electric within 5 years already, but bringing that forward may require some reconsideration of my requirements.


Where to start?
Saw a nice ID4 on Autotrader, but that was idle browsing without looking at prices - which i suspect will hurt the eyes.

 

[icowden]

Saw a nice ID4 on Autotrader, but that was idle browsing without looking at prices - which i suspect will hurt the eyes.

Expect eye pain :-(

Where to start? With your budget. Your budget for a new or second hand car is going to determine very strongly which EVs are available to you.

 

[lazybloke]

Yeah, lots of factors. Don't really

Expect eye pain :-(

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Where to start? With your budget. Your budget for a new or second hand car is going to determine very strongly which EVs are available to you.

Not a clue.

Need to review car savings and value of current car. My current contract is up in a couple of months so i need to sort out my job too. Might just park the whole idea until next year rather than making a rash decision now.

 

[icowden]

Need to review car savings and value of current car. My current contract is up in a couple of months so i need to sort out my job too. Might just park the whole idea until next year rather than making a rash decision now.

Also, the longer you can leave it, the more likely that prices will have come down.

 

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