Are we being forced to go electric?

[MrGrumpy]

It does, but what happens for those that keep their cars 10 years down the line, when part xyz has been replaced by XYZ1 and looks similar, but they aren't made or stocked. You are screwed from any DIY maintenance - do you have to go to Tesla for parts ? E.g. failed ABS sensor, so simple stuff. It's fine if you lease, but ownership doesn't seem attractive if they change parts often - your motor factor/local garage will be stumped.

I think you could swap that scenario for any car manufacturer, some parts you have to go back to them no option of a similar OEM spec part . In some ways I can see this happening more and more!

 

[Alex321]

I think you could swap that scenario for any car manufacturer, some parts you have to go back to them no option of a similar OEM spec part . In some ways I can see this happening more and more!

I think the point being made was that Tesla are changing things more often than most manufacturers, so the problem is exacerbated.

 

[CXRAndy]

I think the point being made was that Tesla are changing things more often than most manufacturers, so the problem is exacerbated.

Well we wont know until it is a problem. Isn't their legislation to force manufacturers to keep spares.

 

[lazybloke]

No Tesla technology especially the drive and battery design is all new. Yes research would have been done but actually producing the road going models.

Well, I was thinking of the 2008 Tesla not having anything new. It has 1860s AC induction motor, a battery made of 1970s 18650 cells, filled with a 1990s lithium ion cobalt formulation. The chassis was modified from the Lotus Elise (also 1990s).
Tesla spotted the opportunity and got to market first, but anyone could have done the same, using off-the-shelf componentry.

No doubt it had some technical innovation somewhere, but overall it seems more a combination of existing (proven) technologies. So more a triumph of clever marketing and product development. But oh boy, what a result.

And I certainly don't deny things have moved on a very long way from then. The current Tesla range clearly shows the cumulative result of RnD, continuous improvement, and refinement. Who wouldn't want a new Tesla?

But it doesn't seem to me that any Tesla is at the right price point to replace the millions of cheap old ICE cars on the road today. And I'm not sure any EV is suitable for that application yet.

 

[CXRAndy]

I beg to differ, as a family we have notched up well over 100,000 miles in EVs in the last 4 years or so. They have been extremely reliable, vastly cheaper to run given the miles we do.

 

[FishFright]

I beg to differ, as a family we have notched up well over 100,000 miles in EVs in the last 4 years or so. They have been extremely reliable, vastly cheaper to run given the miles we do.

That's just fact's , what good are those against non EV owners and what they reckon?

 

[vickster]

I beg to differ, as a family we have notched up well over 100,000 miles in EVs in the last 4 years or so. They have been extremely reliable, vastly cheaper to run given the miles we do.

Probably just as well if you were doing those mileages previously in ICE vehicles!?

I doubt I’ve done that many miles in 30 years!! I’m very glad I don’t spend have to spend my life in a motor vehicle

 

[fossyant]

I beg to differ, as a family we have notched up well over 100,000 miles in EVs in the last 4 years or so. They have been extremely reliable, vastly cheaper to run given the miles we do.

That's a serious amount of miles !

 

[Alex321]

Probably just as well if you were doing those mileages previously in ICE vehicles!?

I doubt I’ve done that many miles in 30 years!! I’m very glad I don’t spend have to spend my life in a motor vehicle

There was a time, when I was working as a freelance, when I was doing 40K miles a year.

 

[cougie uk]

That's a serious amount of miles !

25,000 + a year when I think the UK average is now around 9k.

Of course most people objecting to EVs seem to do 800 miles a day, every day. Non stop.

 

[lazybloke]

I beg to differ, as a family we have notched up well over 100,000 miles in EVs in the last 4 years or so. They have been extremely reliable, vastly cheaper to run given the miles we do.

Oh God, I was asking what will replace all the cheap old ICE cars.

I think you need to consider who buys those cars.
Minimum wage carers who need transport to drive between addresses? Struggling with energy bills and the cost of living, so even my 15 year old Touran might not be affordable (it went for something like £2,500).

Along you come, a family with 4 years experience of multiple EVs; singing the praises of how reliable they are and "vastly cheaper to run".

Let me know how old that EV will be before the carer can afford it, and how reliable it will be then? If the range is good in summer but in cold weather degreades to an unviable level, how much is the cost of a new battery?
Still think EVs are the answer?

Well done.

 

[biggs682]

Isn't their legislation to force manufacturers to keep spares.

I think they are only obliged to keep available for 10 years after production stops i think

 

[cougie uk]

Oh God, I was asking what will replace all the cheap old ICE cars.

I think you need to consider who buys those cars.
Minimum wage carers who need transport to drive between addresses? Struggling with energy bills and the cost of living, so even my 15 year old Touran might not be affordable (it went for something like £2,500).

Along you come, a family with 4 years experience of multiple EVs; singing the praises of how reliable they are and "vastly cheaper to run".

Let me know how old that EV will be before the carer can afford it, and how reliable it will be then? If the range is good in summer but in cold weather degreades to an unviable level, how much is the cost of a new battery?
Still think EVs are the answer?

Well done.

EVs are definitely the answer. I'm spending 1/8 the cost of what I was on petrol.

 

[vickster]

EVs are definitely the answer. I'm spending 1/8 the cost of what I was on petrol.

That’s fine if you do lots of miles but I’d struggle break even in many years if I spent £20k (or more likely £30k) on an EV (I spend under £50 a month on petrol)

 

[FishFright]

Oh God, I was asking what will replace all the cheap old ICE cars.

I think you need to consider who buys those cars.
Minimum wage carers who need transport to drive between addresses? Struggling with energy bills and the cost of living, so even my 15 year old Touran might not be affordable (it went for something like £2,500).

Along you come, a family with 4 years experience of multiple EVs; singing the praises of how reliable they are and "vastly cheaper to run".

Let me know how old that EV will be before the carer can afford it, and how reliable it will be then? If the range is good in summer but in cold weather degreades to an unviable level, how much is the cost of a new battery?
Still think EVs are the answer?

Well done.

The obvious answer is cheap used electric cars at a price that the market can sustain, just like every other second hand object ever.
The mileage left will dictate the value and market that buys them , in the same way condition and miles done make up the price of ICE cars.

I'll give you D- .