Jameshow
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I doubt it as many people will go out and buy one to retain the last of the ice cars.
The ice deadline is for manufacturers not for usage.
Are we being forced to go electric?
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I doubt it as many people will go out and buy one to retain the last of the ice cars.
The ice deadline is for manufacturers not for usage.
Alex321
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Not sure how many people will be buying ICE cars close tio the deadline. Yes, the deadline is for manufacture, but petrol & diesel forecourts will rapidly become much less common.
There will certainly be some people doing that, but not sure it will be as many as you think.
Fastpedaller
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If the dealers have to sell them by 31 Dec 2029, will we see new ICE cars being sold for peanuts and much cheaper than the used ice cars?
It's all very well buying a car on mileage (forever fiddled by some), but this may not relate to battery life. Will the displays in the EV car give an indication of battery 'health' and will that be the target of manipulation?
It's all very well buying a car on mileage (forever fiddled by some), but this may not relate to battery life. Will the displays in the EV car give an indication of battery 'health' and will that be the target of manipulation?
Yes, and it would take someone with some real tech skills, not least because the data is passed from car to cloud. It would be a lot harder than using a power drill to wind back the mileage.
Scottish Scrutineer
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For Carers doing short "door to door" urban journeys a quadricycle like a Citroen Ami would be ideal. Relatively lower cost, low speed and range would be adequate.
To add interest to the EV debate, it appears that the CEO of Kia has stated / claimed that building a budget priced EV simply isn't economically vialbe because of the price of the batteries; the most expensive part of an EV. with the 'average' price of an EV being around £50k., this is beyond the reach of many of us without having to take out a sizeable loan. Even the dinky Fiat 500 EV is currently priced at £30k. with a range of 'up to' 199 miles. For comparison, the petrol 500 is around £16k.
Hmm, maybe he has a point - ?
Hmm, maybe he has a point - ?
cougie uk
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To add interest to the EV debate, it appears that the CEO of Kia has stated / claimed that building a budget priced EV simply isn't economically vialbe because of the price of the batteries; the most expensive part of an EV. with the 'average' price of an EV being around £50k., this is beyond the reach of many of us without having to take out a sizeable loan. Even the dinky Fiat 500 EV is currently priced at £30k. with a range of 'up to' 199 miles. For comparison, the petrol 500 is around £16k.
Hmm, maybe he has a point - ?
He said -
"The electrification of the small car is really difficult, economically speaking"
Plenty of EVs less than 50k. If Kia don't provide an electric small car - others will.
Or maybe he's just spouting nonsense?To add interest to the EV debate, it appears that the CEO of Kia has stated / claimed that building a budget priced EV simply isn't economically vialbe because of the price of the batteries; the most expensive part of an EV. with the 'average' price of an EV being around £50k., this is beyond the reach of many of us without having to take out a sizeable loan. Even the dinky Fiat 500 EV is currently priced at £30k. with a range of 'up to' 199 miles. For comparison, the petrol 500 is around £16k.
Hmm, maybe he has a point - ?
https://www.parkers.co.uk/electric-... decade, the,as demand has outstripped supply.
We are seeing a small increase in battery cost due to very high demand at the moment. But over time:
So we are currently at £87 per kwh. The battery in my ID4 therefore cost £7221. A replacement DCI Diesel engine for a Renault Scenic costs about £5000 new. So the cost in my ID4 is not really about the battery at all. It's about the fact that all of the tech is new. New techniques are needed, new skills, new tooling, new manufacturing plants, new machinery is needed. The cost of that investment is being recouped. We are pretty close to a battery being the same cost as a combustion engine.
It's estimated that the cost of a Tesla Model 3 in materials is about £15,000. The next £10,000 is labour costs. Everything above that is profit which is needed to build more manufacturing to fulfil demand. Once companies have fully tooled up and refined their build processes, prices will drop. Competition will also cause price drops.
Musk is already on it:
https://www.carwow.co.uk/tesla/news...ectric-car-hatchback-price-specs-release-date
It's possible that the starting price will be around £18k.
Alex321
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To add interest to the EV debate, it appears that the CEO of Kia has stated / claimed that building a budget priced EV simply isn't economically vialbe because of the price of the batteries; the most expensive part of an EV. with the 'average' price of an EV being around £50k., this is beyond the reach of many of us without having to take out a sizeable loan. Even the dinky Fiat 500 EV is currently priced at £30k. with a range of 'up to' 199 miles. For comparison, the petrol 500 is around £16k.
Hmm, maybe he has a point - ?
The "average" price of ICE cars is beyond the reach of most of us without taking out a significant loan.
But few people buy a car brand new that is anywhere near the "average" price.
youngoldbloke
The older I get, the faster I used to be ...
- and add on the price of installing a charger. £1000+ often quoted. Seems you are having to spend a lot before saving.
youngoldbloke
The older I get, the faster I used to be ...
Terrific, can we have an estate version please, with enough space in the back for a couple of bikes standing up?
It's called the Tesla Y. You can buy interior bike racks for it (it can accommodate two racks with the back seats folded).
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