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Are we being forced to go electric?
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Noticed Germany the same when I was there last year . I hark back to those days , everything is a rush these days !
oldwheels
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Just for the record I am in a similar position to youngoldbloke as my walking is restricted and I carry a recumbent trike as well as a folded mobility scooter.
I used to do up to 400 mile day drives in the past for business with some drop offs but mostly picking up goods with my main destination in the Scottish borders. These pickups served as breaks since there were price and quantity negotiations involved.
Mo1959
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No longer even saving much if anything. They are going to have to be a lot better and cheaper before I would consider one.
https://www.parkers.co.uk/electric-cars/electric-charging-infrastructure-uk/
https://www.parkers.co.uk/electric-cars/electric-charging-infrastructure-uk/
Alex321
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Most people will do most of their charging at home though, not using public rapid chargers.
So overall, most will still find it cheaper, even if having to recharge away from home works out more expensive.
What @Alex321 says. It's a bit of a false premise. You don't solely fuel a card using expensive rapid chargers. You charge at home, or find parking with an 11kw charger. Using a rapid charger is really only an emergency top up, or a necessary surcharge on a long journey.
My current off peak rate (2am to 6am) is 9p per kwh. So over two nights I can pretty much "fill" my ID4 for about £7.50. That will take me 250 miles(ish). So whereas my old scenic used to cost £100+ to fill and do 500 miles, the ID4 costs me £15. If I need to fill off peak it would cost £33.20, so still £35 cheaper the the scenic. If I needed to to a complete fill at a rapid charger at 79p per Kwh then it would cost me £65, so yes, more expensive than diesel. But I would never do that. At best I'd be topping up say 40kwh - so about £30, to do an extra hundred miles or so in order to get to my destination where hopefully there is free or cheaper charging.
Of course on the Diesel comparison, we aren't actually comparing correctly as we need to compare with filling at a motorway services and not our local garage. So to fill the scenic at Fleet Services a £1.97 per litre would cost just under £120.
KnittyNorah
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I think it might be more true to replace that all-encompassing 'most people' with 'most people in some social demographics' ...
A great many people will find it impossible, or at the very least, achingly difficult, to charge at home.
FishFright
More wheels than sense
Best use up all that oil and watch the world burn safe in the knowledge that no one was asked to change a single thing .
Why will they find it "achingly difficult"?
It's far easier than using a petrol pump and done in seconds. The cable is easy to connect and easy to disconnect.
classic33
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If you park on the street, no drive, where and how do you connect the car to the charger? Bearing in mind leads in pavements are a trip hazard.
youngoldbloke
The older I get, the faster I used to be ...
I foresee considerable social unrest mid century, if not before. I'll be long gone, but I fear for my grandchildren
Haven't we been through this before? It might be easy but not if you live in a row of small terraced houses, draping cables across pavements will give rise to numerous problems, even if you could guarantee parking directly outside your property. Installation of road side chargers, one to each property is highly unlikely in the foreseeable future, as is under road charging.
Haven't we been through this before? It might be easy but not if you live in a row of small terraced houses, draping cables across pavements will give rise to numerous problems, even if you could guarantee parking directly outside your property. Installation of road side chargers, one to each property is highly unlikely in the foreseeable future, as is under road charging.
Rusty Nails
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Most people among the cohort who do not live in flats or terraced houses or HMOs, and/or who are not reliant on their landlord's permission to install a charger.
I just wish EV drivers would just accept that their driving pattern and the things they are prepared to do to drive their cars does not appeal to everybody, and that ICE drivers would do the same.
This is not a battle just a changing situation that some are more ready to sign up to than others at the moment.
The infrastructure, battery capacity and cost issues will get better, but no one yet knows how fast that progress will be.
Edit: apologies to KnittyNorah for some duplication.
Rusty Nails
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When I get in my car to drive to Heathrow to fly on my fly-drive holiday to the US I want to know I am not going to have to stop to refuel and possibly miss my flight.
cougie uk
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These sound like the problems envisaged when people moved from horses to cars.
cougie uk
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I think a cable and a cover across the pavement is far easier than civil unrest.
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