Are we being forced to go electric?

[gbb]

I wonder how many people (like me) who casually considered the benefits of a cheap second hand EV (say £6 to 7k) now simply don't see it as a viable option. These high electric costs aren't helping people make what might have been a good move. I'm not poo poo'ing EVs BTW, for some (perhaps many) of us, EVs simply aren't a convenient option, maybe were a good cost option, a few months ago but even that seems to be evaporating for some of us.

 

[Buck]

Excluding company EVs where the BIK makes for cheap motoring, I see EVs being very much about a lifestyle change either because you want to “go green” or are in the position to have an EV and solar (and batteries).
Then the system is optimised and the benefits of greener transport, fuel efficiency and lower overall costs come together.

 

[cougie uk]

I wonder how many people (like me) who casually considered the benefits of a cheap second hand EV (say £6 to 7k) now simply don't see it as a viable option. These high electric costs aren't helping people make what might have been a good move. I'm not poo poo'ing EVs BTW, for some (perhaps many) of us, EVs simply aren't a convenient option, maybe were a good cost option, a few months ago but even that seems to be evaporating for some of us.

Even with higher electric it's still many times cheaper to charge at home than buy Petrol.

If you were only charging at superchargers then it's a different proposition.

 

[Gunk]

Excluding company EVs where the BIK makes for cheap motoring, I see EVs being very much about a lifestyle change either because you want to “go green” or are in the position to have an EV and solar (and batteries).
Then the system is optimised and the benefits of greener transport, fuel efficiency and lower overall costs come together.

And in some cases chargers at the workplace.

 

[Milzy]

If I had the option I would get a Tesla over a Polestar. Model Y would be my first choice

Out of budget. Plus they look horrible & people are starting to hate on them.
Polestar 2 is better without been better & 10 grand cheaper.

 

[CXRAndy]

Out of budget. Plus they look horrible & people are starting to hate on them.
Polestar 2 is better without been better & 10 grand cheaper.

Fair enough, each to the own taste, budget etc👍

 

[icowden]

Out of budget. Plus they look horrible & people are starting to hate on them.
Polestar 2 is better without been better & 10 grand cheaper.

I don't see them as being competitors really. If you wanted a Y, the Polestar would hardly tick your boxes.
The Polestar 2 has a 446L boot (1095L with seats down).
Tesla Y boasts of 854L boot 2158L seats down (the Y doesn't have a parcel shelf which accounts for some of that).

To me the competitor for Polestar 2 is the Tesla 3, although it has a very slightly smaller boot, isn't quite as fast off the line, and doesn't go quite as far. That said, apparently the Polestar's pilot software is good and it's a very comfy ride. It's 5k cheaper than the 3.

The Polestar 3 is going to be the competitor to the Y, but at the moment looks like being a lot more expensive. Apparently is due to make an appearance in October.

I'd have any of the above cars if offered though!!

 

[mustang1]

Personally I think the Tesla bubble will burst, the X is now 10 years old and the big global manufacturers are producing better built, better looking alternatives.

Tesla is my favourite of all electric cars: its not specifically the car i like but the combination of car and tesla's electric charging infrastructure.

The only car that's technically superior is a Taycan because it has two gears and works off 800V. But i think the two gears are purely for performance (it is a porsche afterall and they ain't gonna screw around) but they still don't have Tesla's network.

 

[CXRAndy]

I agree it's the overall package which results in Tesla being a country mile ahead. I also like the app, which is super convenient for all sorts of functions.

Here is a simple example how far behind other manufacturers are. I can see real time the location,speed of our car from the app.
My mate has got a 2022 Audi, they can see where the car was last parked as the location, soon as it's on the move, you only see where it was last parked. Why?

The Tesla, allows you to control climate, charging rates, times of charging, cheap rate etc, book service, open and close windows, boot, playback remotely security clips from its cameras.

The integration between user is so far ahead of anyone other manufacturer. This is why Tesla being a software company who make cars will be ahead for quite a long while. Over the last 3 years of ownership, the software/firmware upgrades has been continuously coming through. I can't count maybe half a dozen major improvements. All without leaving our home.
I'd wager that many other manufacturers still require you to take the car into dealer, probably pay to have for maps updates.

 

[Deleted User]

I agree it's the overall package which results in Tesla being a country mile ahead. I also like the app, which is super convenient for all sorts of functions.

Here is a simple example how far behind other manufacturers are. I can see real time the location,speed of our car from the app.
My mate has got a 2022 Audi, they can see where the car was last parked as the location, soon as it's on the move, you only see where it was last parked. Why?

The Tesla, allows you to control climate, charging rates, times of charging, cheap rate etc, book service, open and close windows, boot, playback remotely security clips from its cameras.

The integration between user is so far ahead of anyone other manufacturer. This is why Tesla being a software company who make cars will be ahead for quite a long while. Over the last 3 years of ownership, the software/firmware upgrades has been continuously coming through. I can't count maybe half a dozen major improvements. All without leaving our home.
I'd wager that many other manufacturers still require you to take the car into dealer, probably pay to have for maps updates.

I think someone needs to get out a bit more if you find software updates and watching your car on an APP exciting!

 

[CXRAndy]

Y'all Luddites

 

[FishFright]

Tesla is my favourite of all electric cars: its not specifically the car i like but the combination of car and tesla's electric charging infrastructure.

The only car that's technically superior is a Taycan because it has two gears and works off 800V. But i think the two gears are purely for performance (it is a porsche afterall and they ain't gonna screw around) but they still don't have Tesla's network.

IIRC the 2 gears on the Porsche are there to make it seem sportier and adds nothing to the speed or range

 

[mustang1]

IIRC the 2 gears on the Porsche are there to make it seem sportier and adds nothing to the speed or range

Yeah that's right: improves acceleration and top speed.

 

[figbat]

Yeah that's right: improves acceleration and top speed.

But can do it with a smaller motor - this is what shifting e-transmissions allow.

 

[CXRAndy]

We have a EV ATV, it has a 48V battery to power its drive motor. Because its impractical to have long cables to do work around our place. I don't really like petrol tools, avoid where possible.

I decided to kit out the little ATV with a invertor to run my electric power tools and charge the battery handheld drills etc. So with some 100A flexi DC cable, fuses and big eyelets, I've knocked up a rig for me to be able to plug in and remove the invertor with 100A DC connector

I trialled the system last night, I can run up-to 2000W continuous and peak at 4kW. I don't have anything that powerful to run, the most power hungry is a hedge cutter at 1800W.

I used a heat gun to test current draw, measured with a DC clamp-drawing around 32Amps. So quite safe on the 60A rated fuses.

Off into the field we go