Accy cyclist
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I forgot to mention that neither of her Cartier watches she's selling have diamonds on the watch.
Accie's fake Rolex.
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I forgot to mention that neither of her Cartier watches she's selling have diamonds on the watch.
Regular.Cyclist
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I’d thought that would be the case as many more were produced without. The one in your photo is generally regarded as a ladies watch. Other tanks are usually unisex.
Accy cyclist
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I'll have a look at them tomorrow and see how they look and feel. What will the other one be? She said the name, but I can't remember. 🤔
Regular.Cyclist
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Santos? Ballon Bleu? Calibre de Cartier? Ronde de Cartier? Pasha? Panthère? are some of the popular ones.
Accy cyclist
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It might've been that one.
Cartier is a nice piece of jewellery, it will either be quartz or a cheap ETA automatic mechanical movement. Rolex is in a different league, the case quality is superior and the movement is made in house by Rolex. That’s reflected in the used value. I bought my wife a bi-metallic Tank Francaise over 20 years ago and its value has remained pretty static, a Rolex would have trebled in value.
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This. Sort of.
Cartier are first and foremost jewellers and not watchmakers. You're paying for the name and for the look, not for the watch. The movements tend to be decently mid-range, and it's only the case that's poncy.
Horses for courses.
Though I wouldn't call ETA movements cheap - they're good reliable workhorses put into loads of different watches.
Regular.Cyclist
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Rolex is one of the most hyped brands in the world and that leads to a lot of the inflated pricing we see on their watches. Cartier have a long history of making timepieces as jewellery whereas Rolex were functional tool watches. Different watches for different use cases.
In house movements is another thing hyped by many brands that isn’t really a benefit to the owner. Both Rolex, and their little brother Tudor, have had movement issues over the years. There are frequent reports of 32xx movements losing time after a couple of years and the date wheel issue haunted the Tudor GMT for several years. Tudor used ETA movements until moving to their own in house one some years ago and the change hasn’t been without its problems.
ETA now only supply movements within the Swatch Group of companies and have several very good movements.
The only truly interesting in house movements at the low to mid end of the market , for me anyway, are those developed by Omega with features like their co-axial escapement.
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Indeed, early problems with the date wheel synchronisation had me holding off on buying a Tudor GMT until recently. It was supposed to have been rectified in 2020 and I wanted to wait to be sure that indeed had been.
Regular.Cyclist
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Same here. I waited until just before the last price rise to buy mine.
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TBH though, the majority of Swiss brands, even the spendy ones, are what were called "emboitiers" i.e. they bought bits from the people who made them and then simply assembled the watches and put their own spin on them. Even a lot of what are considered in-house movements are bought in ebauches that have then been modified to spec. Or, in some cases, have been collaborative efforts, like the Gyromatic movements.
If you want something where everything is *genuinely* produced in-house, then look no further than Seiko.
OK, can't vouch for their modern stuff as I believe they now outsource some stuff to China, but it's certainly true of vintage. They were among the first to pioneer vertically integrated manufacture and automation, which is why they survived the 1970s far better than a lot of the Swiss makers. And if you look through the old back catalogues (a fascinating exercise), their ranges were far more varied and stylish than a lot of the Swiss stuff, offering a good mix of mechanical and quartz.
If you want something where everything is *genuinely* produced in-house, then look no further than Seiko.
OK, can't vouch for their modern stuff as I believe they now outsource some stuff to China, but it's certainly true of vintage. They were among the first to pioneer vertically integrated manufacture and automation, which is why they survived the 1970s far better than a lot of the Swiss makers. And if you look through the old back catalogues (a fascinating exercise), their ranges were far more varied and stylish than a lot of the Swiss stuff, offering a good mix of mechanical and quartz.
Drago
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It's not always a bad thing. Bulova modern automatic movements come via Citizen, not to be sniffed at by and means.
Accy cyclist
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She didn't trap with those Cartier watches today. She's just phoned me to say something cropped up, so she's bringing them in next week. My goldsmith/watch seller/repairer friend told me today that I should buy a Patek Philippe watch as in his opinion they are better than Rolex's. He also also gave me these magazines to look through.
Drago
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Got a few J. Arthur Rank mags there I see Accy.
you'll need deep pockets for a Patek