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Parking further away is only an option if I'm on my own in the car or I could safely drop off my Good Lady first, I was car free for over 30 years, now a days being car free would cause major problems.
A pavement parking odyssey
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Parking further away is only an option if I'm on my own in the car or I could safely drop off my Good Lady first, I was car free for over 30 years, now a days being car free would cause major problems.
Electric_Andy
Heavy Metal Fan
- Location
- Plymouth
IME people park on the pavement both sides so that there's room for a (normal sized) vehicle to drive through. When no-one can park on the roads around their home anymore, they're all going to descend on the nearest road that has room, thus creating congestion/blockage problems that were previously outside their house but have now been shifted to busier non-residentual areas?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, but most of the selfish parking I fear will not dissapear, it will just move somewhere else and create different or bigger problems. It is a good way to reduce car ownership, but we've seen a lot of things like this and we know that people will still use their cars, and park them, wherever and whenever they please, when it's legal to do so.
Apparently a local school has camera cars circulating at drop-off time and many inconsiderate drivers have been caught. I gather similar methods would be used to police the residentual areas. it seems far more efficient than traffic wardens.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, but most of the selfish parking I fear will not dissapear, it will just move somewhere else and create different or bigger problems. It is a good way to reduce car ownership, but we've seen a lot of things like this and we know that people will still use their cars, and park them, wherever and whenever they please, when it's legal to do so.
Apparently a local school has camera cars circulating at drop-off time and many inconsiderate drivers have been caught. I gather similar methods would be used to police the residentual areas. it seems far more efficient than traffic wardens.
Archie_tect
De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
- Location
- Northumberland
When cars are all autonomous and park and drive themselves the fun will start- they can't be programmed to reverse up kerbs onto pavements... unless the software gets hacked and no-one would dare to do that in case the car ran over a pedestrian on the pavement.
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Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
Why is a "normal sized vehicle" more important than pedestrians? How come it's not ok to obstruct the road, but its fine to obstruct the path in the name of keeping the road flowing free?
In more than 3 decades no such displacement parking chaos has occurred in London, so there's no reason to believe it would anywhere else.
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Whilst i'm sure your feelings are heart felt for a man with 2 Panzer wagons & who is lucky enough to be retired on an healthy pension with a working partner so funds are not an issue to park said Panzers off the street. Unfortunately back in the real world where the people who are trapped in their houses without cars. Are you going to turn back history & install all the corner shops? When we moved here 36 years ago there was 2 supermarkets, 2 newsagents, a launderette & several other shops, now where they used to be are houses. So unless your going to put all these shops back so people don't have cars then currently we have to live with it. We normally park at least one of our cars on the road with 2 wheels just on the pavement because as @dave r states if we don't & somebody parks across then the road is blocked. BUT we are not blocking the pavement we always ensure that anybody in a wheelchair or a mobility scooter can get past easily.
However there are many that don't they park in such a way it's virtually impossible to walk past let alone ride past, when I'm out with the dog these usually find their mirrors at a strange angle, how long ti takes them to notice is another matter.
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Bazzer
Setting the controls for the heart of the sun.
- Location
- On the edge of reality
Certainly where I live, so far as I can see it is inexcusable.
An estate at the back of our house (built in the early/mid 1980s) is littered with pavement parkers. Garages turned into extensions immediately limit parking and rather than using part of the front garden for parking, owners choose instead to park on the footpath.
For so many drivers it seems to have become second nature to pavement park. On my own road for example, there are open fields opposite the houses, yet when contractors visit the houses, invariably they pavement park when there is plenty of room on the road, both to park and for other vehicles to overtake.
In January this year I had severely restricted sight because of emergency surgery on both eyes. and my wife was effectively my guide dog. We frequently went for walks to get me out of the house as there was little I could do in the house and it was seriously annoying having to be "steered" around cars parked on the pavement. The problem existed both during the day when most people were out and during the evening it was far worse; to the extent I would have taken a screwdriver with me, but for Mrs B having to get it for me and she refused.
On one day time walk, the fuss a builder made was staggering, all because he had to move his two vans which completely blocked the pavement and my wife was riled because of his ignorant parking. And yes, there was plenty of room on the road, both to park and for other vehicles, including emergency vehicles to pass.
I see the same on my commute from a rural area to Manchester. Irrespective of the width of the road or whether or not there are yellow lines, pavement parkers litter the route. Indeed the presence of yellow lines seems to encourage drivers to park further on the pavement.
An estate at the back of our house (built in the early/mid 1980s) is littered with pavement parkers. Garages turned into extensions immediately limit parking and rather than using part of the front garden for parking, owners choose instead to park on the footpath.
For so many drivers it seems to have become second nature to pavement park. On my own road for example, there are open fields opposite the houses, yet when contractors visit the houses, invariably they pavement park when there is plenty of room on the road, both to park and for other vehicles to overtake.
In January this year I had severely restricted sight because of emergency surgery on both eyes. and my wife was effectively my guide dog. We frequently went for walks to get me out of the house as there was little I could do in the house and it was seriously annoying having to be "steered" around cars parked on the pavement. The problem existed both during the day when most people were out and during the evening it was far worse; to the extent I would have taken a screwdriver with me, but for Mrs B having to get it for me and she refused.
On one day time walk, the fuss a builder made was staggering, all because he had to move his two vans which completely blocked the pavement and my wife was riled because of his ignorant parking. And yes, there was plenty of room on the road, both to park and for other vehicles, including emergency vehicles to pass.
I see the same on my commute from a rural area to Manchester. Irrespective of the width of the road or whether or not there are yellow lines, pavement parkers litter the route. Indeed the presence of yellow lines seems to encourage drivers to park further on the pavement.
Randomnerd
Bimbleur
- Location
- North Yorkshire
Limit the size of all cars. So many centimetres wide x long and no more. Everyone who wants to own a car must first secure a legal parking space. Job done. No more ridiculously over large penis extensions everywhere.
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Don't think my wife has a penis, I'm sure I would have noticed in the last 40 years
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Deleted member 1258
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Sounds good to me, but I cant see it happening
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Deleted member 1258
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The car isn't more important than the pedestrian, but a blanket ban on pavement parking is like using a sledge hammer to crack a nut and doesn't take into account the problems encountered in real life, yes fine and tow the vehicles of those that block the pavement, but don't penalise those of us that are parking responsibility and trying to not block both the road and the pavement
HMS_Dave
Grand Old Lady
In genuine cases i sympathise. Roads for houses build pre 1950 often have narrow roads and parking on them could block emergency services. We have to be realistic, people are going to park near their house for a number of reasons be it health, kids, shopping or whatever. This we have to live with. But there are genuine issues where people are abusing this where there is ample road width, i could head out tomorrow and fill this thread up with examples near me. I know why people do it, because they don't want to risk getting their wing mirrors clipped or what have you, but when wheelchair users, children etc can't get by then in my opinion that is abhorrent and i would rather hope that any future enforcement includes some discretion when determining who and who is not abusing it. This happens with pavement cyclists where police have been urged to use discretion so i don't see why it can't apply here.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
No, that's parking illegally, committing the offence of driving on the footway. It's merely that you're not prosecuted because no police officer saw you do it and, ridiculously, the presence of a car on the footway isn't accepted as sufficient proof.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Discretion isn't applied to cyclists often enough. Ask Kristian Gregory, who had to take it all the way to the courts door to beat a bizarre ticket for cycling from a cycleway to a crossing. https://www.cyclinguk.org/news/2015...clist-dropped-justice-michael-quest-continues
