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[bridgy]

You'd still beat me anyway as you're a better rider



Here's exactly what I did. Single person event, so no draft influence.
My weight and height parameters 67kg 166cm rider. 200Watts constant except on the three climbing segments Sgurr North, Sgurr South, Sgurr North. For those I had 260 Watts constant.

It's a bit closer to how I would ride that route IRL than a constant Wattage. Here are the full results...

To start Sgurr N segment: 2:12 Tron, 2:20 Crux
To top Sgurr N segment: 6:19 Tron, 6:23 Crux
To Sgurr S start: 8:14 Tron, 8:26 Crux
To top Sgurr S: 10:30 Tron, 10:53 Crux
To Sgurr N2 start: 12:51 Tron, 13:16 Crux
To Sgurr N2 finish: 17:00 Tron, 17:20 Crux


All credit to Zwift Insider for doing such a fantastic amount of testing. But he can't find the time to sit and watch the progress and change the Wattage precisely at the segment starts like I did. For a race I care about, I will go the extra mile to get precisely tailored data and sometimes it pays off.

So that's weird and confusing isn't it that the CRR is less for the gravel bike than the road bike on gravel, and ZI's tests reflect that, but your tests show the opposite. Your change of watts is irrelevant, you shouldn't - in theory - be faster on a road bike than a gravel bike on that gravel surface but you find you are

 

[bridgy]

Love It when you enter a last minute race and it ends up being good. One guy with big 5 min power and poor sprint versus several others with a sprint and one decent climb. Managed to glue myself to his wheel in an eleven two man breakaway whilst 3 others later broke away from main group and bridged, then a bit of attacking and then fun sprint. Very happy with the relative w/kg efforts

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You are the master of saving watts!!

 

[alex_cycles]

So that's weird and confusing isn't it that the CRR is less for the gravel bike than the road bike on gravel, and ZI's tests reflect that, but your tests show the opposite. Your change of watts is irrelevant, you shouldn't - in theory - be faster on a road bike than a gravel bike on that gravel surface but you find you are

It is weird (but don't forget it's only the North Sgurr climb which is gravel on that route and for that section the Crux is 4s faster uphill).
Another example was Serpentine 8 on dirt. In the previous season I did tests for my weight and power and the the part of Serpentine 8 we were racing, the Crux came out as 7s faster than the Zwifterbikes recommended MTB (which is based on Eric's data).

Someone else I know, heavier and more powerful than me had the opposite result. For him, MTB was faster. At the end of the day if your size and weight and power are close to Eric Schlange then you can probably take his results as being pretty close. But if you're not they might not be.

At the end of that race, my team managed to outsprint the MTB teams and we just took it - by 0.2s.

There is another factor though, which I think is probably far more important than our bike actual choice...

If you THINK you're on the best bike for the race, that's probably worth more than any real difference.

 

[CXRAndy]

This popped up on my YT feed


View: https://youtu.be/HOINjcHtZ-s?si=yYjkpAiyM3Szs7j0

 

[CXRAndy]

Hi Phil I don't have Premium Strava (you do ) , so have to create greyed segments to match performance over parts of the course.

You were 8 secs in the lead at the top of the first climb (north), I caught you just as we came around the roundabout to start the shorter side climb (south). Up and over this to the foot of the final climb I did 4.33, you 4.49. You then clawed back 16 seconds up to the finish.

Alex comment about only the north side being gravel, cost you going with the bike

 

[13 rider]

Hi Phil I don't have Premium Strava (you do ) , so have to create greyed segments to match performance over parts of the course.

You were 8 secs in the lead at the top of the first climb (north), I caught you just as we came around the roundabout to start the shorter side climb (south). Up and over this to the foot of the final climb I did 4.33, you 4.49. You then clawed back 16 seconds up to the finish.

Alex comment about only the north side being gravel, cost you going with the bike

I pushed harder than I had planned up the 1st climb where I got the gap than , I was pretty sure you would catch me on the tarmac downhill so I used this for recovery and then just paced the tarmac climb with you hoping that I wouldn't lose that much on the gravel downhill as I knew I could take time out of you up the hill . That downhill is where I lost the race ,downhills are my weakness I seem not to put out enough power on these

 

[CXRAndy]

Zwift announces staff layoffs, co CEO resigned

This comes with Peleton news of big losses

 

[Mo1959]

Zwift announces staff layoffs, co CEO resigned

This comes with Peleton news of big losses

The Covid boom has well and truly bust! Hopefully things will settle down soon. A lot of firms took on more staff and invested heavily to profit from lock down I think.

 

[Norry1]

I think their problem was that they sought major Private Equity Investors and raised a whole ton of money which they spend(t) on big Marketing drives. These investors expect a big and quick return. Zwift finds itself competing with Mywhoosh which has almost unlimited Government money to invest.

 

[Aleman]

Question for Sauce users ... If you go HUDless in zwift, how do you know what power up you have?

 

[alex_cycles]

Question for Sauce users ... If you go HUDless in zwift, how do you know what power up you have?

Companion app is the only way

 

[Aleman]

Companion app is the only way

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

 

[alex_cycles]

I think their problem was that they sought major Private Equity Investors and raised a whole ton of money which they spend(t) on big Marketing drives. These investors expect a big and quick return. Zwift finds itself competing with Mywhoosh which has almost unlimited Government money to invest.

Tour de France Femmes avec Zwift.
COVID handed them an amazing opportunity, but they seem to have let it slip through their fingers.

 

[Legs]

Good luck to everyone ZRLing this evening!

 

[bobinski]

Companion app is the only way

This-i rode hudless at the weekend and really preferred it, just saucey overlays on top!