Zwift Chat

[alex_cycles]

Thanks for the offer but don’t think I could contribute ! Would still be lower A with this system - guessing all points would be mopped up - and like pushing myself into a workout too much !

Scared of being chased around by a bunch of gimps

 

[bridgy]

Thanks for the offer but don’t think I could contribute ! Would still be lower A with this system - guessing all points would be mopped up - and like pushing myself into a workout too much !

No probem - totally up to you. But with regards the points you made:
- I'm lower A in this sytem too
- Everyone who finishes scores points (obviously the higher you finish the more points you get). Same for FTS segments - everyone scores not just the first 10
- We'll all be in the same team. You'll be in the GC as an individual in your category based on your cumulative time per stage, but also the top 10 finishers in the team - whatever category they're in - contributes separately to the overall team score

 

[bridgy]

No we are - i think the site forked up. Cleared it by logging out and in again

Yep, you're showing correctly in Team CC from my end. Just the two of us so far Alex

 

[alex_cycles]

Yep, you're showing correctly in Team CC from my end. Just the two of us so far Alex

Yeah I'm guessing that Spectre is the probably the default team for FRR and it didn't quite register/refresh properly until I logged out and back in again.

 

[<Tommy>]

There’s no way I can make all the stages. But I should be ok for 2 or 3. I’ll sign up later

 

[berty bassett]

When’s it start ?

 

[alex_cycles]

When’s it start ?

Saturday 22nd and lasts for 8 days straight with five daily time slots to choose from...

 

[IrishAl]

OK so I have been appointed "Team Manager" and have set up the Cyclechat team on the Flamme Rouge Racing site (https://www.flammerougeracing.com/?page=home)

If you've already registered yourself, I think you need to login, go to your profile and choose "CycleChat Riders" as your team.

There are 3 possible teams within CyclChar Riders but I believe it will default you to the first one which I've named Team CC. We can have unlimited riders in the team, so please feel free to join even if you can't make every race - our top 10 results, whatever category you race in will count each stage for the team competition.

I think we'll probably only need to use one team for everyone for now based on the responses so far - if that changes and we end up with loads of people wanting to do the whole 9 stages we can move people to another team and create a second (but I doubt that!)

Let me know if you have any problems signing up to the team

Thanks Bridgy for volunteering again - everyone loves an organiser! 👍

Right….IT experts - why am I not getting an option for the Cyclechat in my team drop down?

 

[alex_cycles]

Thanks Bridgy for volunteering again - everyone loves an organiser! 👍

Right….IT experts - why am I not getting an option for the Cyclechat in my team drop down?

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Log out and back in again. Reckon that will refresh it. Should be straight after Cannondale

 

[bridgy]

Thanks Bridgy for volunteering again - everyone loves an organiser! 👍

Right….IT experts - why am I not getting an option for the Cyclechat in my team drop down?

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I see it on the drop down after Cannondale 4iii as per below

 

[berty bassett]

Before I do anything rash - does anyone mind if I tag along - and do I have to register somewhere ?

 

[berty bassett]

Scared of being chased around by a bunch of gimps

I’ve been London you know

 

[alex_cycles]

Before I do anything rash - does anyone mind if I tag along - and do I have to register somewhere ?

Hop on. It’ll be fun

 

[CXRAndy]

Maybe this flame rouge thing will address the sandbagging a bit better and put people in the correct cat , hope so - must be so frustrating for a lot of people not to be able to compete on level playing field
Wish you all best of luck and will keep reading - Enjoy all

It's not so bad for me personally. Those who should not be in my cat either make the race tougher by driving the pace and steal the top places on results. Obviously ones are DQd, others you can manually disregard them-a bit of self promotion. Really it doesn't matter to me whether I come 1st, 3rd or 20th as long as it was good racing and fun 😁

 

[bobinski]

I agree with you, but because of the way the Cat system works I'd argue there's a 3rd reason for some riders who ride in a category below their true ability, and this is simply the nature of the Cat system and of most races and how they're raced.

The Cat system as we know is based on JUST 20 minute power and nothing else, but most races are decided on 1-5 minute power and/or a sprint, not 20 minute power. If you're racing sensibly, for the vast majority of races there's simply no need or reason to do high 20 minute power becuase you'll be sitting in a drafting pack and don't need to do a particularly hard 20 minute long effort. This isn't really sandbagging as such, it's just racing logically and sensibly, but it protects some riders from getting upgraded when they probably should.

Some people I'm sure go out of their way to game this part of the system too, but some who are capable of racing in a higher Cat still genuinely race as hard as they can, but simply don't exceed the Cat limits for these reasons.

That's why, if you want better categorisation (and you can't have results based systeme which most people would prefer) then you need to take more into account than 20 minute power alone. This Flamme Rouge event uses Normalised Power (NP) which is a great idea because it takes into account those high 1-2 minute power efforts which separate the top riders in a category from everyone else. E.G my 20 minute power in the last ZRL event was 273w (3.5w/kg) but NP was 324w (4.16w/kg). The Cat B winner of that race had NP of 4.53w/kg.

Brevity and clarity 👏👏👏