Zwift Chat

[BurningLegs]

Well you might be able to find out up the KOM tomorrow, if the trainer arrives early enough in the day?!

 

[Norry1]

Well you might be able to find out up the KOM tomorrow, if the trainer arrives early enough in the day?!

Think I'd go with the known for tomorrow

 

[bridgy]

I'm interested to see if the "Smart" aspects help or hinder my racing. In real life I can kick out more power when climbing than on the flat and that isn't replicated indoors.

I feel like that's the case for me with a smart trainer (Neo). The increase in resistance on inclines is firstly a useful indicator in a race that things are going to kick off, because most people increase their watts going uphill so it reminds me to do the same. I also find the increased resistance helps me get more watts out

 

[straas]

View: https://youtu.be/sKE1ltegX8I


No breakaways course preview for Tuesday

Did not know about super tucking till this video!

 

[mjd1988]

Did not know about super tucking till this video!

Ah no! Supertucking is the best!

If you are going more than 57kph on a decline greater or equal to -3 (sounds like the beginning of a GCSE maths question) then stop pedalling and you go into aerotuck, it's almost always faster than keeping on pedalling. It's a lifesaver for those of us who are dead trying to keep up with climbers

https://zwiftinsider.com/supertuck/

 

[peterob]

Ah no! Supertucking is the best!

If you are going more than 57kph on a decline greater or equal to -3 (sounds like the beginning of a GCSE maths question) then stop pedalling and you go into aerotuck, it's almost always faster than keeping on pedalling. It's a lifesaver for those of us who are dead trying to keep up with climbers

https://zwiftinsider.com/supertuck/

Absolutely!

Last week I noticed when descending the alpe in suoertuck that the guy approx 10 secs behind me was pushing a constant 2.7 W/Kg and yet I was still pulling out my advantage (approx 1 sec every 10 secs).

You have to be putting out some significant power to have a higher speed than someone supertucking on higher gradient descents.

And it looks cool 😎.

And a lot less scary than doing it in real life.

 

[Whorty]

I feel like that's the case for me with a smart trainer (Neo). The increase in resistance on inclines is firstly a useful indicator in a race that things are going to kick off, because most people increase their watts going uphill so it reminds me to do the same. I also find the increased resistance helps me get more watts out

+1

 

[Norry1]

Absolutely!

Last week I noticed when descending the alpe in suoertuck that the guy approx 10 secs behind me was pushing a constant 2.7 W/Kg and yet I was still pulling out my advantage (approx 1 sec every 10 secs).

You have to be putting out some significant power to have a higher speed than someone supertucking on higher gradient descents.

And it looks cool 😎.

And a lot less scary than doing it in real life.

Also - the impact of supertucking is higher in a race than in normal riding. Just be sure to start pedalling again just before the road levels out or you could get left behind. Worth a practice before the race if you get a chance.

 

[Randyberlin]

I'm interested to see if the "Smart" aspects help or hinder my racing. In real life I can kick out more power when climbing than on the flat and that isn't replicated indoors.

For me it works that way. To get a new FTP a 1\2 hour climb works best. One aspect that I think you and your wife will enjoy is the virtual tours. In video mode the resistance changing with the hills makes it feel like a real ride. The 2T even has road feel where it rumbles going over Cattle guards dirt roads etc. It is on the free 1 month Tacx subscription.

 

[steverob]

Did not know about super tucking till this video!

Frankly this is NOT a good course for supertucking. The only descent of note is coming down from the Leg Snapper (because we finish at the top of the KOM) and by the time you've got up enough speed, the slope is virtually over.

Even on the video posted above, the guy could have only got a maximum of 10-12 seconds of supertuck and that took a big watts effort over the top of the climb to build up speed, followed by not resuming pedalling before the slope ended, which is a big mistake - just watch how many people catch and overtake him while he's explaining about how many watts he's saved (he actually loses more places than he gained by tucking in the first place)

For those of us in C/D cats or those who may have no-one to draft off, you might only end up with 5-6 seconds in the tuck, for which the advantage is minimal - you need 20-25 seconds to make it worth your while IMO.

 

[<Tommy>]

Yeah but do you ride yours at 100% ?

Turbo at 30%, me at 170% 👍

 

[<Tommy>]

I feel like that's the case for me with a smart trainer (Neo). The increase in resistance on inclines is firstly a useful indicator in a race that things are going to kick off, because most people increase their watts going uphill so it reminds me to do the same. I also find the increased resistance helps me get more watts out

I think that a lot of people feel like they can push higher watts at a lower cadence.

 

[BurningLegs]

Frankly this is NOT a good course for supertucking. The only descent of note is coming down from the Leg Snapper (because we finish at the top of the KOM) and by the time you've got up enough speed, the slope is virtually over.

Even on the video posted above, the guy could have only got a maximum of 10-12 seconds of supertuck and that took a big watts effort over the top of the climb to build up speed, followed by not resuming pedalling before the slope ended, which is a big mistake - just watch how many people catch and overtake him while he's explaining about how many watts he's saved (he actually loses more places than he gained by tucking in the first place)

For those of us in C/D cats or those who may have no-one to draft off, you might only end up with 5-6 seconds in the tuck, for which the advantage is minimal - you need 20-25 seconds to make it worth your while IMO.

I’ll take a 5-6 second tuck over none 🙂

 

[mjd1988]

Frankly this is NOT a good course for supertucking. The only descent of note is coming down from the Leg Snapper (because we finish at the top of the KOM) and by the time you've got up enough speed, the slope is virtually over.

Even on the video posted above, the guy could have only got a maximum of 10-12 seconds of supertuck and that took a big watts effort over the top of the climb to build up speed, followed by not resuming pedalling before the slope ended, which is a big mistake - just watch how many people catch and overtake him while he's explaining about how many watts he's saved (he actually loses more places than he gained by tucking in the first place)

For those of us in C/D cats or those who may have no-one to draft off, you might only end up with 5-6 seconds in the tuck, for which the advantage is minimal - you need 20-25 seconds to make it worth your while IMO.

Agree- the following week in Harrogate will be much more important, and definitely the whole lot of lava course 😭

A B group with people pushing up the legsnapper will likely build up enough speed but won't be very long and probably not the place to experiment as you can get dropped if you leave it too long to put the power on again

 

[mjd1988]

I’ll take a 5-6 second tuck over none 🙂

Overtaking people when they are working hard and you are totally resting is a definite psychological boost!